2hats
Dust.
Depends on the degree of training.
There have been several examples recently (pilot suicide, pilot 'hijacking' own plane).
Malaysia Airlines Boeing 777 vanishes without trace
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Depends on the degree of training.
There have been several examples recently (pilot suicide, pilot 'hijacking' own plane).
Tarot being almost an anagram of 'rotate', an aviation term for a particular action during take off.
existentialist
Tired and unemotional
No, quite!
Minnie_the_Minx
someinenhhanding menbag and me ah bollox
and here's another massive coincidence. It's 37 years since the 1977 crash, and what's more, this one was on the 7th of the 3rd and...
(Nonsense I read somewhere
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2hats
Dust.
Reading between the lines of an expanded version of that report it sounds like ELINT assets picked up the engine management ACARS traffic that (since the plane had no SATCOM option fitted, apparently) would have been transmitted on VHF. So yes, technically Boeing/RR/MAS would be perfectly correct in stating that they received no data subsequent to the last reported (ADS-B) position. Wouldn't be surprised if other signals, eg carrier of SHF in-flight phone system(*), were noted as well.
e2a: * looks like it would have been Inmarsat based and not Iridium so potentially less useful for narrowing down a search area.
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sleaterkinney
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The pilot had been in two hijackings before, and still continued to fly after that one!.Yeah, it'd have to be vanishingly unlikely to have happened. OTOH, more unlikely than that the plane was nabbed and landed safely in some jungle airstrip?
I imagine that we'll eventually find out that it DID crash somewhere, but - as that WSJ graphic demonstrates - there's a lot of places to look, and we just haven't found it yet.
Although it's a totally unrelated kind of incident, and almost certainly nothing to do with this flight, I do keep remembering the plane that crashed into the sea following a hijack because the hijackers simply didn't believe the captain when he said he didn't have enough fuel to get to where they said they wanted to go...
This one:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethiopian_Airlines_Flight_961
Barking_Mad
Non sibi sed omnibus
"Communications satellites picked up faint electronic pulses from Malaysian Airlines Flight 370 after it went missing on Saturday, but the signals gave no indication about where the stray jet was heading nor its technical condition, a source close to the investigation said on Thursday.
The “pings” equated to an indication that the aircraft’s maintenance troubleshooting systems were ready to communicate with satellites if needed, but no links were opened because Malaysia Airlines and others had not subscribed to the full troubleshooting service, the source said."
The “pings” equated to an indication that the aircraft’s maintenance troubleshooting systems were ready to communicate with satellites if needed, but no links were opened because Malaysia Airlines and others had not subscribed to the full troubleshooting service, the source said."
brogdale
Coming to terms with late onset Anarchism
Sorry if I'm going over old ground here, (been away from internet all day), but are the yanks still sticking by this 4 hours of data line?
ShakespearO
Well-Known Member
After boarding but before take off, a passenger texted a relative to say that the cabin crew had all been taken off the plane and replaced by another team, who all seemed very inexperienced. There could have been a genuine operational reason for this or it could have been a precursor to foul play?
2hats
Dust.
Yes. Keep alive was given as every 30 minutes so between 4 and 5 hours run time. What detail there is if any though, ie to what degree they can profile the flight and constrain it, is another question. Likewise the details of the signal type and infrastructure it normally uses would influence the degree to which the transmissions could be located.
Spymaster
Plastic Paddy
Where did you get this from?
ShakespearO
Well-Known Member
It was on the radio in a cab I was in this evening. Possibly TalkSport or BBC 3 Counties, I'm not sure.
Vintage Paw
dead stare and computer glare
Twitter tells me (so it's def. true) that the White House are briefing right now to say that they believe it did carry on flying for 4 hours.
The White House.
This is gonna be a film one day, right?
The White House.
This is gonna be a film one day, right?
existentialist
Tired and unemotional
Minnie_the_Minx
someinenhhanding menbag and me ah bollox
Ex BA pilot also reckons they may be in the Indian Ocean half way between Madagascar and Australian
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/missing-malaysia-airlines-flight-ex-ba-3237728
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/missing-malaysia-airlines-flight-ex-ba-3237728
not-bono-ever
meh
Whatever you do, please dont read the Icke forums about this. fuckin hell.
Minnie_the_Minx
someinenhhanding menbag and me ah bollox
Jesus, I can only imagine what bollocks is happening over there! I bet it's all a false flag and everyone involved are actors
T & P
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ABC News is reporting two separate transponder systems on the plane were switched off nearly 15 minutes apart- which suggests human intervention rather than mechanical failure
http://abcnews.go.com/International...cation-crashed-indian-ocean/story?id=22894802
http://abcnews.go.com/International...cation-crashed-indian-ocean/story?id=22894802
quimcunx
imprimeo, lamino, distribuo
Not seen this bit of info before. Surely not hard to confirm, if true.
Arty Drum
this isn't happening
''Long story short, the aircraft passed through a dimensional fabric opening,....''
yes. really.
classicdish
Well-Known Member
Can't find *any* mentions about this anywhere on Google, so I am calling bullshit on this one.
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Minnie_the_Minx
someinenhhanding menbag and me ah bollox
Minnie_the_Minx
someinenhhanding menbag and me ah bollox
I had a look as well. Couldn't find any mention whatsoever
Maybe someone just making up stories to get attention, like that girl did who said her mother was on the plane when she wasn't.
2hats
Dust.
WSJ (and others, which seems to amount to multiple sources) now reporting that the data the USG has includes location and altitude. It's not beyond the bounds of possibility that this wasn't part of the actual data but was derived. One separate USAF source is reported as describing the aircraft as changing altitude erratically towards the end of the flight before settling back to 35kft.
US deploying P-8A Poseidon (737-800 based successor to P-3 Orion) to search the Indian Ocean/Andaman Sea.
US deploying P-8A Poseidon (737-800 based successor to P-3 Orion) to search the Indian Ocean/Andaman Sea.
Barking_Mad
Non sibi sed omnibus
The app info comes from Flightware's website. Flightaware gets its data from the FAA's central computer (excluding military and VFR flights). Take a look at Flightaware's own website for the data. HERE
Scroll down to 17:49. All other data either side of it is listed as estimated, those 4 entries are supposedly not. Im not saying it's correct im just surprised it's not been mentioned in all the "theories" about what has gone on. Oh and it is moving.
Additionally i worked the following out to see if the latitude and longitude match up with the distance travelled at the 777's cruising speed. It would appear that although the data might well not be reliable in terms of it being the flight itself, the figures do tally fairly well (given a few basic assumptions).
I've messaged Flightaware asking for an explanation, as im sure there is one as nobody could be stupid enough to miss this.
Barking_Mad
Non sibi sed omnibus
Here are the plots of those last four co-ordinates according to the data from Flightaware's website.
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