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these pesky planes are always in the last place you look
Malaysia Airlines Boeing 777 vanishes without trace
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Sunray
Its sunny somewhere.
To crash it into the side of a building, possibly somewhere in china?
Sunray
Its sunny somewhere.
Definitely possible but so incredibly unlikely that a hijack is far more probable.
In a remote place, a plane crashing is likely to cause a fire that the plume of smoke can be seen for miles and miles and while these places are sparsely populated they aren't totally devoid of people and most of them have mobile phones. The flight recorders can be detected for much further when above ground.
Hijack would also give some credibility to the reports that people were calling mobile phones and getting the ring tone long after it was reported missing.
I'm wondering if these are connected?
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/mar/12/china-knife-attack-suspects-detained-before-massacre
That isn't stealing it, but it is the theory I am most inclined to believe presently. No-one will want to admit to shooting it out of the sky. However, it is looking like the most believable theory.
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so they go from knifing people to a fiendish plot no one can fathom in one fell swoop?
back to the drawing board i think
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no, it isn't. the yankee spy satellites would have picked up the explosion
2hats
Dust.
Not at fuel exhaustion in the middle of the Indian Ocean.
You've not been reading this thread have you? The CVR/FDR have ultrasound locators to find them underwater. Those locators are pretty much useless above ground/in a crater. The boxes are day-glow orange so they can be dug out of the ground/mangled airframe. Emergency Locator Transponders may be working nearby if they survive the crash. They are not attached to the CVR/FDR chassis.
That's been covered elsewhere repeatedly. You'll get a ringing tone whilst the various carrier systems try and figure out which cell (country) the phone might be located in and connect to it rather than a potentially confusing silence.
Perhaps they did.
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if they had the thread would have taken a rather different turn a few pages back.
They are saying they believe the plane was diverted. Half way there really. I'm sure they wouldn't be claiming that without significant evidence.
I think it's more than likely they really don't have a clue, but tbh I don't find it astonishing. All of the confusing info about its final location has opened up a truly vast area of sea in which it could have come down. The mysterious bit - and possibly the disturbing one - is why all of the communications equipment seems to have failed/been switched off well before the plane crashed - if indeed it did.
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is it any coincidence that aleister crowley's book about tarot was called 777? [/jazzz]
The tube bombings were on 7/7 2005. If you add all the numbers of the year together (2+0+0+5) you get your third 7.
Vintage Paw
dead stare and computer glare
Here's one for you. This is from a Flightaware iPhone app giiving locations of the plane. Note how the 4th from last one appears to show the plane re-appearing 2 hours later.
The location?
Hong Kong.
You can check the locations using this website: http://itouchmap.com/latlong.html
Enter the lat/long into the decimal section. Image below shows first and last of those last four entries.
View attachment 50114
It's also got it at 40k feet and not moving...
I'm not certain we should be trusting an iphone app.
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I agree. I don't really believe it's landed safely anywhere, or that it's crashed on land. The former is unlikely because it's hard to see where it might be, and the latter would most likely have been seen. IMO it's far more likely than not that it's crashed in the sea, and the wreckage will be found at some point. That's not to say it couldn't have been hijacked first, though, which might explain why it evidently went quiet well before the end.
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hijackers traditionally want people to know something's been hijacked tho
True, but not all hijacks go according to plan...
I suppose there's a possibility for it to go wrong though.
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yes but as we all know the max fenig scenario's the most likely one it doesn't signify.
Great minds think alike...
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fools run in the same vein
It's fools seldom differ, isn't it?
2hats
Dust.
Reuters reporting that a 'source' has stated that "satellites picked up electronic ping from MH370 after it lost contact".
The earlier ABC news report describes 'missing' minutes between the last transponder response (presumably secondary radar identification by ATC) and no further radar (primary) returns (during which time they seem to imply the aircraft turned towards the west, consistent with some of the early reports from the Malaysian authorities regarding their interpretation of the radar.
This would then tie in with the military primary radar indicating what may have been the plane tracking west, near the border with Thailand, out over the Andaman Sea. If the reported flight level (29.5kft) is correct (accurate) then that could be an attempt to avoid collision and deconflict from other traffic in the area whilst trying to remain radio silent and with no input from ATC (flights would normally be routed at 1kft vertical separations).
Could perhaps be a hijacking (or pilot gone AWOL) ending in fuel exhaustion out over the Indian Ocean.
The earlier ABC news report describes 'missing' minutes between the last transponder response (presumably secondary radar identification by ATC) and no further radar (primary) returns (during which time they seem to imply the aircraft turned towards the west, consistent with some of the early reports from the Malaysian authorities regarding their interpretation of the radar.
This would then tie in with the military primary radar indicating what may have been the plane tracking west, near the border with Thailand, out over the Andaman Sea. If the reported flight level (29.5kft) is correct (accurate) then that could be an attempt to avoid collision and deconflict from other traffic in the area whilst trying to remain radio silent and with no input from ATC (flights would normally be routed at 1kft vertical separations).
Could perhaps be a hijacking (or pilot gone AWOL) ending in fuel exhaustion out over the Indian Ocean.
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i think you get the point
smmudge
i know the smudge is true
There was a bloke on BBC breakfast this morning that pointed out the "convenience" of it disappearing between the airspaces of different countries - signed off on one but didn't report to the other. Would a hijacker have known whereabouts that point is? Seems unlikely. And lack of distress signal suggests something deliberate by the crew.
Would also explain why info is so cagey. We can handle hijackers and accidental crashes because we can take action to prevent stuff like that, wayward pilot though, that's pretty terrifying.
Would also explain why info is so cagey. We can handle hijackers and accidental crashes because we can take action to prevent stuff like that, wayward pilot though, that's pretty terrifying.
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