ViolentPanda
Hardly getting over it.
Pffft! Surreptitiously injecting men with female hormones, more like!!! Because obviously, the amount of chemical shit pumped into the environment - pthalates etc - aren't doing that!
Main thing 'men's rights' types don't get?
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Pffft! Surreptitiously injecting men with female hormones, more like!!! Because obviously, the amount of chemical shit pumped into the environment - pthalates etc - aren't doing that!
ViolentPanda
Hardly getting over it.
Sadly, it's the Elektra role many of them do want their mummies to adopt, I suspect.
SheilaNaGig
Break requested
Jesus. I actually face palmed IRL when I read this post Gromit.
I think you're getting more narrow and blinkered as you go along, mate.
The two things are not even remotely comparable in the way that you suggest. And can you guess why? Because of the patriarchy.
Men want to change their appearance to be more manly and Alpha or whatever because of ideals imposed on them by the mating game, which is driven by the patriarchy.
Women do the whole fakery thing because of ideals imposed on them by the mating game, which is driven by the patriarchy.
camouflage
gaslit at scale.
Sadly, it's the Elektra role many of them do want their mummies to adopt, I suspect.
Elektra? Why have you brought Elektra into this? Elektra's not involved.
snadge
metal alchemist
She's always involved.
D'wards
IT'S YOUR DECISION DANIEL
I predict that "International Men's Day" will become a thing in the upcoming years. Its been the subject of scorn and derision for a long time, but i noticed this year more attention was paid to it - in particular highlighting male suicide rates under 45 years old, where it is the biggest killer of men.
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gaslit at scale.
MRA much like nice guy is short hand for an utter barking arsehole with an extra helping of hating women
Is nice guy a thing?
NoXion
Craicy the Squirrel
The thing you need to know about Nice Guys (note the capitals) is that they're not nice because it's generally better to be a pleasant and generous individual.
They're Nice because they have this expectation in their heads that women will reward their behaviour with sex.
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gaslit at scale.
I found this: Nice Guy syndrome
Combustible
Well-Known Member
I think its also that they attribute their lack of sex to the fact that they are 'nice' and blame women for being attracted to guys who treat them badly rather than nice guys like themselves (despite the fact they are generally anything but). This also justifies the manipulative techniques promoted by red pill/MRA types, since its apparently how women really want to be treated.
NoXion
Craicy the Squirrel
I'd say that Nice Guys are potential redpillers/MRAs in the making. I think there's hope for Nice Guys, if they learn how interpersonal relationships really work and avoid falling into the pit of masculinist false consciousness.
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Are the MRA also the ones that came up with the term "virtue signaling", or is that more an alt-right thing (asks me ungooglingly).
NoXion
Craicy the Squirrel
There appears to be significant crossover between the two groups, so does it really matter in this case?
Especially since both groups have what I think of as a very "transactional" view of social relationships.
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Ah, the Libertarian flank.
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littlebabyjesus
one of Maxwell's demons
I had no idea the concept of virtue signalling was associated with the right. Guess I don't read enough r/w stuff to see it. In and of itself, it seems a reasonably sound concept to me.
mojo pixy
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Basically these idiots believe no reasonable man could possibly believe in feminism, so to them any man defending feminism or using feminist arguments is merely virtue-signalling. Perhaps in order to get laid? Since they obviously can't just mean what they're saying, and of course everything a man does is meant to get him laid 
19force8
For the avoidance of faith
According to virtue signalling - Wiktionary
Popularised by James Bartholomew in an article in The Spectator in April 2015.
So seems to have come from a right wing perspective, but I have to say it's a very tempting way to describe some of the crap that passes for Twitter's moral panics.
Popularised by James Bartholomew in an article in The Spectator in April 2015.
So seems to have come from a right wing perspective, but I have to say it's a very tempting way to describe some of the crap that passes for Twitter's moral panics.
camouflage
gaslit at scale.
Come to think of it, I'm not sure why I thought it was an MRA/alt-right thing, perhaps I'd seen the term used in discussions about them somewhere, or in a comments section, or perhaps even here. MRAlt-Righters accusing others of it... or people who stand against them accusing them of it, perhaps even as regards 'Nice Guys'.
gosh... maybe it was even on the previous page!
littlebabyjesus
one of Maxwell's demons
I reckon I probably first saw it used on here, tbh. I can think of situations where it's useful. People loudly expressing their condemnation of various atrocities or crimes sometimes strikes me as virtue signalling. I've said as much before, just not using that term.
FridgeMagnet
Administrator
It's definitely an alt-right term, or at least its recent popularity comes from there. It started with GG though there's obviously an overlap.
littlebabyjesus
one of Maxwell's demons
It definitely has a game theory feel to it. A transactional view of social relations is necessary in certain contexts, such as understanding selection pressures in evolution.
I'm all conflicted now.
mojo pixy
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And of course there is the term Transactional Analysis, which is rather a useful tool for looking at how people interact, and what this may show about their emotional state and overall mental health.
(EtA, I know people here know this, I'm just saying, the term transaction crops up in serious contexts and can be useful)
(EtA, I know people here know this, I'm just saying, the term transaction crops up in serious contexts and can be useful)
camouflage
gaslit at scale.
Well.. for me it's not really about word-policing, just pattern-recognition. Of course words and terms like "transaction*" and "virtue-signaling" are useful and do apply in rigorously evaluated arguments and analysis.
littlebabyjesus
one of Maxwell's demons
Need to claim the term off the r/w, I reckon. We can start with calling out the poppy-wearing arms race as virtue signalling.
FridgeMagnet
Administrator
It's not a thing to reclaim. The modern internet use is born of fundamental nihilism and misogyny, the idea that nobody really has principles or does anything because they think it's the right thing to do, they must be after something, and also that no man would support a woman unless he wants to fuck her and is trying to show off (it's tied into "white knight").
spanglechick
High Empress of Dressing Up
I read a bit of red pill nonsense the other day (actually, I mostly read primers about MRA stuff).
One thing that struck me is that men are categorised all over the place (alpha/betas/cucks/incels/etc...) but that only one category of women exists, albeit that she changes status in her late 20s. But women are all discussed as if they have the same attractiveness, income etc.
No surprises, I guess - but it points out just how intellectually superficial it all really is.
One thing that struck me is that men are categorised all over the place (alpha/betas/cucks/incels/etc...) but that only one category of women exists, albeit that she changes status in her late 20s. But women are all discussed as if they have the same attractiveness, income etc.
No surprises, I guess - but it points out just how intellectually superficial it all really is.
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