Mail: a truly despicable article ("nothing 'natural' about Stephen Gately's death")
- Thread starter Badger Kitten
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Is it cool to let it be known that urban was the start of this without mentioning you?
And you is brill, it is an honour to 'know' you both.
Just as I started this post, the doorbell went.
It was the JW's on a mission to convert. I drew them into a very interesting conversation.
"We don't condemn anybody"
I asked them what was their stance on homosexuals.
Bottom line was that "It is wrong"
Pathetic.
Ms T
Honey-coloured ramparts
trashpony
Hag
Badger Kitten
oof
And a whole page 3 of the Guardian, with front page trail 
5t3lla, if you put words like 'Daily Mail gately' and 'jan moir' into google news, google blogs you should pick up all the stories in case we've missed any so far.
I'm cool with people saying this was an urban initiative, or bigging up 5t3lla, just please don't particularly mention me, as although I did this in my own time, on my day off, I have weekday clients who will be very confused indeed if they discover what I was up to.
Not in a bad way but I would like to avoid the hassle of confusion and endless explaining and 'ooh, was that you? '-ing, especially as I am mad busy at work for the next 10 days. And it's nobody's business at work what I do on my day off and how I feel about the Mail, Moir and social media etc etc.
5t3lla, if you put words like 'Daily Mail gately' and 'jan moir' into google news, google blogs you should pick up all the stories in case we've missed any so far.
I'm cool with people saying this was an urban initiative, or bigging up 5t3lla,
just please don't particularly mention me, as although I did this in my own time, on my day off, I have weekday clients who will be very confused indeed if they discover what I was up to. Not in a bad way but I would like to avoid the hassle of confusion and endless explaining and 'ooh, was that you? '-ing, especially as I am mad busy at work for the next 10 days. And it's nobody's business at work what I do on my day off and how I feel about the Mail, Moir and social media etc etc.
5t3IIa
Registered User
And a whole page 3 of the Guardian, with front page trail
5t3lla, if you put words like 'Daily Mail gately' and 'jan moir' into google news, google blogs you should pick up all the stories in case we've missed any so far.
I'm cool with people saying this was an urban initiative, or bigging up 5t3lla,
Not in a bad way but I would like to avoid the hassle of confusion and endless explaining and 'ooh, was that you? '-ing, especially as I am mad busy at work for the next 10 days. And it's nobody's business at work what I do on my day off and how I feel about the Mail, Moir and social media etc etc.
I really don't know why everyone's celebrating - this is a victory for the Mail. Controversy is money in the bank for them. They've got increased traffic and a higher profile, because one of their star columnists managed to provoke a reaction - that's precisely what she's paid for. The article is still there. Moir hasn't apologised. The PCC won't do a thing, neither will the Police. Advertisers haven't stopped advertising. (M&S only asked their ad to be moved to another page.) The Mail won't be hurt by this unless 'the internet' can organise a boycott of its advertisers. Now that really would be something...
trashpony
Hag
It's a bit of a double edged sword I agree. I'd like to think that The Guardian will be seriously questioning whether they still want Moir on their payroll. And if the Gately family complain then the PCC will have to investigate (or at least be seen to, Dacre at the helm or not). And don't forget that if the DM still continue to publish Moir's pieces, they are going to have give assurances to the advertisers on those pages that she isn't going to write anything that's going to have their press offices flooded with complaints.
London_Calling
Pleasant and unpatronising
Ok, so complete the argument, what was the better alternative?
p.s. I was under the impression she had apologised
There's a certain amount of truth in NickH's viewpoint, but if this pressure can be sustained there's a chance that changes may go beyond a marginalised Moir. The Mail's adept at moulding itself to meet public opinion - if there's continued criticism there's likely to be a sly about face and a quick change of direction. So far, with that half-heartedly snide apology, they've far from succeeded in quieting things down.
trashpony
Hag
Ok, so complete the argument, what was the better alternative?
p.s. I was under the impression she had apologised
It was quite vague - more of a defence than an apology
http://news.pinkpaper.com/NewsStory.aspx?id=1816
Guineveretoo
Mostly bewildered
A friend of mine who has nothing to do with Urban, but is a gay, political activist, has now linked to the fb page 
It doesn't really work like that. The problem is Dacre, not Moir. He would have approved such a controversial piece. Other senior editors would also have approved a synopsis before she wrote it. (It may not even have been her idea.) The paper won't be giving assurances to advertisers - they would see this as allowing advertisers to dictate editorial policy, i.e. a complete surrender of the principle of freedom of the press.
This is largely correct but at the very least her provocation encourages others to rearticulate their opposition to prejudice and by doing so draw a line in the sand.
QueenOfGoths
Fuck you Dave!
Fantastic - can't believe the FB group members have nearly doubled overnight . Good work all
Saw the article in the Guardian today as well
Saw the article in the Guardian today as well
trashpony
Hag
That's an interesting idea. Wonder if I can find out his name?
There isn't one, but the job's only just started - the campaign needs to get some real teeth, i.e. a boycott of the advertisers. But I'm not sure enough people are angry enough for this to work. Most people will just shrug and say, 'yeah, that's the Mail for you.'
London_Calling
Pleasant and unpatronising
So you don't have a argument for what to do when this kind of appalling nonsense is published, except to say it only helps the media outlet if you complain. Ok, it's a view I suppose.
temper_tantrum
The beauty of the ride
Great work all
(thanks for the mention re: the early links by the way, glad I could chip in a little)
Incidentally, if you search for 'Jan Moir' on Google News, you get over 1,600 results relating to this issue:
http://news.google.co.uk/news?q=jan...ent=firefox-a&um=1&ie=UTF-8&sa=N&hl=en&tab=wn
Also, have they taken the story down? When I search the Mail website for 'Jan Moir', it doesn't appear.
(thanks for the mention re: the early links by the way, glad I could chip in a little)
Incidentally, if you search for 'Jan Moir' on Google News, you get over 1,600 results relating to this issue:
http://news.google.co.uk/news?q=jan...ent=firefox-a&um=1&ie=UTF-8&sa=N&hl=en&tab=wn
Also, have they taken the story down? When I search the Mail website for 'Jan Moir', it doesn't appear.
What hurts them most is to be ignored. If a columnist gets no comments, they're finished. If you can organise a boycott of Moir's articles by readers she'll be gone very quickly.
5t3IIa
Registered User
Hahahah. Are you a virgin too?
trashpony
Hag
Great work all
(thanks for the mention re: the early links by the way, glad I could chip in a little)
Incidentally, if you search for 'Jan Moir' on Google News, you get over 1,600 results relating to this issue:
http://news.google.co.uk/news?q=jan...ent=firefox-a&um=1&ie=UTF-8&sa=N&hl=en&tab=wn
Also, have they taken the story down? When I search the Mail website for 'Jan Moir', it doesn't appear.
It's still there as far as I can see (although they may have taken it off their internal search engine)
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-1220756/A-strange-lonely-troubling-death--.html
No. But a friend of mine is a columnist and I used to freelance for the Mail. I do know how it works.
This should go well......
5t3IIa
Registered User
Oh balls. Since when would anyone be able to get the entire DM readership to stop buying it?
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