Living off the land 100%

[JuanTwoThree]

Setubal is where some great dessert wine is made. I used to recommend it a lot when I worked in wine shops in London. It got eclipsed a bit by Australian liqueur muscats.

Luckily for the region's grape-farmers I imagine the muscat grapes aren't ripe enough to attract any noble hunter-gatherer's attention.

Round these parts you'd get at the very least a short lesson in vernacular swearing (of the 'I shit on your mother' variety) if you helped yourself to a roadside bunch of grapes that a farmer has spent a year spraying, deleafing, watching and mostly worrying about. You might get a dog set on you, for extra local colour.

There are some escapee vines that are not somebody's, but not many.

Figs are complicated too. Any fig tree that seems to have been pruned is not for anybody to pick, as is any tree that seems to have a path to it, or signs that it has been irrigated (little channels made with a mattock). The really wild ones, often by river banks, are fair game and so are ones that already dropping their overripe fruits, IMO, but it's never a bad idea to ask around.

I mention this not out of respect for property, but to not steal from the poor.

 

[bimble]

No no JuanTwoThree, as Stan has explained, its different for him because all the farmers know that he has a special respect for their salt of the earthness, so with gladness in their simple rustic hearts they give him their produce for free.

They appreciate that I appreciate what they are doing.

 

[Pickman's model]

I mention this not out of respect for property, but to not steal from the poor.

yeh but stan won't steal from the rich as they might have security guards and that to beat the living daylights out of him. whereas he is quite happy to weasel a beet or 40 from a subsistence farmer.

 

[not-bono-ever]

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[cupid_stunt]

You're spot on about my choices. I enjoy a freedom that is priceless. I am in no way unhygienic - probably cleaner than you in many ways.

As for 'persuading'??? You are so obviously jealous. The lot of you

I am sitting in a bar in a beautiful town enjoying the Sunday evening atmosphere of a gentle praca. Plenty of good company to enjoy also. Sunday is quiet even in August. Plenty of affordable beds. That is affordable at €35/night in a country where most only take home €700/month. €1000 a month just for a bed and a shower just doesn't work. That said, I have managed to make €350+ over the weekend. I worked hard for it. Found a shop open today, so bought new materials.

I am not doing anything illegal. I am not robbing, or thieving. I am not dumpster diving. I am not bothering people, causing a nuisance, or anything other than offering people entertainment and art. It obviously is appreciated by the majority, if not all.

I meet many people. See many beautiful places. I have no alarm clock, no boss, no bank manager, no debt. I have many friends in every corner of Europe. Friends who value my company. The girls who bought sketches and invited me to sushi in Lisbon will always in touch. I will meet up with one of them in Madrid.

Whilst not quite 100% off the land yet, my last Three very healthy, delicious meals included just a single ingredient not collected from the land. Fruits fresh from the vine, or the tree. Vegetables from the earth. Fish straight from the sea. Everything I am eating is far more nutritional and tasty than any stuff you can buy from an organic market. It is fresh as fresh is possible to be. This is not about saving money, it is about enhancing your enjoyment of food to a new level. It takes work, but costs virtually nothing other than time and gaining knowledge. Give me just one more week, and everything I eat will be 100% from the land. I said early on that I didn't expect it to happen immediately. You were probably expecting some sort of shit survivalist bollocks. You shouldn't expect that from me - I'm out to enjoy myself. Sometimes enjoyment is 'work'. I am eating far more healthily than any other poster, or reader here. 100% certain about that.

And, whilst I am taking this adventure - enjoying the hiking and the learning curve, the lush scenery, the nature, the villages, towns and cities (not to mention gaining in fitness), I am collecting business cards, phone numbers and email addresses for future work.

You take the piss all you like, but the truth is I am living a life most only dream about.

You are most certainly jealous. Fuck off now

--- you do realise you are adding your name to a list of sad fuck losers posting here. Every word you (the lot of you) write is devaluing any respect board readers here had for you ---

You just wait until I get to Tavira

Just re-read this post, because, well, there's so much wrong with it, it's impossible to take in the first time around, it's hard to know where to start & what to say. No wonder the first reply was just a simple 'lol', because that basically does it.

The attitude, the arrogance, the stupidity, it's basically totally delusional, and therefore the only bit worth taking on-board is...

You take the piss all you like

Thanks, Stan.

 

[Stanley Edwards]

I find it telling that my rash but genuine offer to get him out of there if everything got too much, which still stands BTW, got no mention. Not because I was or am virtue signalling (maybe a little... but doing a good thing for a bad reason is theologically a toughy) or angling for gratitude: being told to fuck off and leave him be because he's actually alright would be fine.

It just didn't seem to get noticed one way or another. I'd be noticing the same if anybody else had come up with the same offer.

In fact, he doesn't really address much of what goes on on this thread between his communiques. A bit of a dig about people who google, true. Which is ironic in my case because I do collect snails and fungi (and figs, walnuts, hazelnuts so on) and on this occasion do know what I'm talking about: I live in a small town and it's something people do around here. I'm a fuck sight better forager than Stan seems to be.

I really wouldn't like to definitively analyse why he doesn't really dialogue on 'his' thread. There may be difficulties with the tech, who can say? But a working hypothesis might be that the thing would be less about him if he actually engaged with the participants on the thread.

I think it's enough for his self-esteem that he's being discussed and debated. So I'm happy to help.

I'm guessing that his next pronouncement will be just as removed from the proceedings of the thread as ever.

And it's also telling that I'm using the third person. It's as if I think he's not going to read this.

I missed your kind offer - sorry for not replying sooner. Your post got lost in the sea of abuse here. I really don't need any help, but thanks anyway.

I grew up on a small holding myself. I know all about respect for the land and harvesting. I also spent a year in a farmhouse in a mountain valley in Andalucia. I collected much food there also. Again, this was for pleasure rather than economic necessity. I learned much. Local farmers and allotment keepers insisted I help myself, and often left a box of vegetables on my doorstep.

I am not stealing from anyone. I have been based in Spain for 15 years, speak Spanish fluently. This is a good grounding for learning Portuguese - I am clumsy, but make myself understood and just about understand others. It is enough.

If I come across a field of Tens of Thousands of corn plants, I would have absolutely no qualms about helping myself to one. I see no problem with that whatsoever.

I am not robbing from the poor. I haven't even robbed from the rich yet (or, at least not on this trip).

My internet time is limited by all sorts of things. I can't play on the web when I am hiking, when I am harvesting, when I am preparing and cooking, when I am eating, cleaning, generally looking after myself, when I am working in the street, when I am looking for beds in a strange town, when I am looking for an art supplies shop, when my laptop isn't charged, when there is no WiFi, when I am sleeping. I get very limited time to play on the web. When I do have internet access, I firstly have to check and reply to emails. I then have to write for publishing clients (when asked). Then I can play here. I can't be arsed to filter through all the crap, lies, abusive bullshit, browsing past images of vulnerable homeless people used to be offensive, reading comments like "Stan is a vulnerable adult" used in a context which is intended to be insulting. All of this from people who are trying to justify their own nasty vile against me by stating that I am the one who is abusive to vulnerable adults. Get that! Mindless, vile, insensitive, insecure little fuckers. Jealous fuckers.

Plenty of time today. I'm resting my foot, but will sketch as soon as the heat relents sufficiently. Three people are waiting for sketches at €50 each. It is OK for half a days work. In the meantime I am drinking ice cold beers in a cool little bar full of great people. Plenty of time to answer questions today.

 

[Stanley Edwards]

A life we could only dream about

You are a stupid little twat. My life is my life. I love the way I live. Many people love the way I live.

My life is not the way you are trying to portray it as being in this thread. You take snippits from what I have written, and put a new emphasis on those, you can post photographs from all over the web which have fuck all to do with my life, you can use pictures of homeless people as insults, you can do whatever you like, but don't expect me not to reply and point out what a vile, insecure, jealous idiot you are.

OK?

 

[ElizabethofYork]

What are you sketching today, Stan?

 

[Stanley Edwards]

yeh but stan won't steal from the rich as they might have security guards and that to beat the living daylights out of him. whereas he is quite happy to weasel a beet or 40 from a subsistence farmer.

It is blatantly obvious from all you post here that you are the biggest coward on the boards. Nothing scares me mate. Nothing. I regularly have to deal with crazy people thrusting broken bottles towards my face, and other similar situations. I have been beaten by police more than once. I can take it all. If I have to, I am willing to take the biggest fight. Especially if people I care about are in danger.

I have many friends for many reasons. One reason being that they feel safe in my company. They know I am a very effective, and fair peace keeper. A peaceful resolution will always be the first option.

Your humour suggests you lack human empathy. This suggest you may have issues yourself, but you are the one who introduced the tirade of abusive shit to this thread as you do in many threads. You are a pain in the fucking arse shitting all over the boards.

I've asked you not to stalk me here before. Then, someone pointed out that it isn't just me who is fucked off with your pathetic, cowardly posting. It seems many people feel you are stalking them.

OK?

 

[Stanley Edwards]

What are you sketching today, Stan?

Praca de Bocage, Setabul. Big church and pretty buildings and bars and stuff. I'll take a bad photograph in a bit.

 

[Stanley Edwards]

Sort of this, but much bigger - more panoramic.

Have to do Three of them, so I will change the angle of perspective for each one to keep things interesting.



Think it is time I bought a camera. This webcam photo thing shit.

 

[Corax]

Jealous fuckers.

 

[Stanley Edwards]

Highly original and creative. Brilliant in fact. Just simply brilliant work. Congratulations.

 

[Corax]

Think it is time I bought a camera. This webcam photo thing shit.

I know your carrier doesn't provide service in Portugal - but surely your phone camera still works, and it'll connect over wifi?

Or... has the phone been marinaded in extra virgin as well?

 

[Corax]

Highly original and creative. Brilliant in fact. Just simply brilliant work. Congratulations.

Thank you. I too thought it an excellent commentary.

 

[Stanley Edwards]

I know your carrier doesn't provide service in Portugal - but surely your phone camera still works, and it'll connect over wifi?

Or... has the phone been marinaded in extra virgin as well?

My phone doesn't have a camera. I use my laptop for all internet stuff. But, perhaps a new phone is just as good an option as a cheap camera. I'm prepared to spend around €150.

 

[Pickman's model]

It is blatantly obvious from all you post here that you are the biggest coward on the boards. Nothing scares me mate. Nothing. I regularly have to deal with crazy people thrusting broken bottles towards my face, and other similar situations. I have been beaten by police more than once. I can take it all. If I have to, I am willing to take the biggest fight. Especially if people I care about are in danger.

I have many friends for many reasons. One reason being that they feel safe in my company. They know I am a very effective, and fair peace keeper. A peaceful resolution will always be the first option.

Your humour suggests you lack human empathy. This suggest you may have issues yourself, but you are the one who introduced the tirade of abusive shit to this thread as you do in many threads. You are a pain in the fucking arse shitting all over the boards.

I've asked you not to stalk me here before. Then, someone pointed out that it isn't just me who is fucked off with your pathetic, cowardly posting. It seems many people feel you are stalking them.

OK?

not really, no.

let's take your points one by one:

* biggest coward on the boards. tosh. very easy for you to say that from the safety of a computer in portugal. but it's bollocks. people who know me - and there are many of them on the boards - have seen me in a range of dangerous situations from welling and waterloo through j18, the scraps outside the israeli embassy, the g20 etc etc etc - and not one person can say they've seen me show my heels.

* nothing scares you. you're a fucking fool then. being beaten by the police is nothing to be proud of.

* you have friends. yeh right. you may be quite charming on occasion - what alkie can't be? - but the peripatetick lifestyle you've chosen makes these people more acquaintances than friends, and more people you've nattered to over a drink than people with whom you've created a long and durable relationship. don't mistake a brief encounter for proper lasting amity.

*i lack empathy. nothing's further from the truth! there are a number of posts from just the past weekend in which i offer you good advice. people who know me, and who i have represented in my capacity as a union officer, certainly don't feel i lack empathy. and it's a demonstrable lie that i 'introduced the tirade of abusive shit' to this thread. do go back and have another look, chuck.

* you may have asked me to stop stalking you. but it's very difficult, as i am sure you can appreciate, to stop doing something one hasn't in fact started. so you found some no-mark twat who indicated you're not the only one pissed off with me. yeh? so fucking what? it's not like i post here to make friends, darlin'. not sure how you go from one other person pissed off with me to many people think i'm stalking them: show your working please.

 

[Stanley Edwards]

not really, no.

let's take your points one by one:

* biggest coward on the boards. tosh. very easy for you to say that from the safety of a computer in portugal. but it's bollocks. people who know me - and there are many of them on the boards - have seen me in a range of dangerous situations from welling and waterloo through j18, the scraps outside the israeli embassy, the g20 etc etc etc - and not one person can say they've seen me show my heels.

* nothing scares you. you're a fucking fool then. being beaten by the police is nothing to be proud of.

* you have friends. yeh right. you may be quite charming on occasion - what alkie can't be? - but the peripatetick lifestyle you've chosen makes these people more acquaintances than friends, and more people you've nattered to over a drink than people with whom you've created a long and durable relationship. don't mistake a brief encounter for proper lasting amity.

*i lack empathy. nothing's further from the truth! there are a number of posts from just the past weekend in which i offer you good advice. people who know me, and who i have represented in my capacity as a union officer, certainly don't feel i lack empathy. and it's a demonstrable lie that i 'introduced the tirade of abusive shit' to this thread. do go back and have another look, chuck.

* you may have asked me to stop stalking you. but it's very difficult, as i am sure you can appreciate, to stop doing something one hasn't in fact started. so you found some no-mark twat who indicated you're not the only one pissed off with me. yeh? so fucking what? it's not like i post here to make friends, darlin'. not sure how you go from one other person pissed off with me to many people think i'm stalking them: show your working please.

Bloody hell! Who would have guessed it. I am not proud of being beaten by police. Simply pointing out that I have to expect it, and it doesn't scare me.

You may not have started the tirade of abuse, but you have certainly been one of the most prolific contributors.

My home has been Granada for 15 years now. I travel for work, but always return to friends. I have many friends, real friends, long term friends all over the World. I visit them sometimes, they visit me sometimes. We always keep in touch.

If you don't want people to think you're a stalking coward, then stop posting like one.

 

[not-bono-ever]

lolz

 

[existentialist]

lolz

The projection is quite something

 

[Pickman's model]

You may not have started the tirade of abuse, but you have certainly been one of the most prolific contributors.

so you say. but considering we've established you're often economical with the truth i will take that with a pinch of salt.

If you don't want people to think you're a stalking coward, then stop posting like one.

i'd have to start posting like one first.

 

[not-bono-ever]

I did respond with some piss taking jibe about Hippy entitlement but deleted it. Pointless, utterly pointless.

 

[existentialist]

Something else interesting about Stan - he just can't stop comparing. If he disagrees with someone, it's not enough for him to do just that - he has to point out why he is better at $whateveritis than the other person. It's almost universal in his posts - he defends himself and then, with nary a second breath, goes on the attack. Pretty much every fucking time.

 

[ElizabethofYork]

The bloke on the column in the photograph is Manuel Maria Barbosa du Bocage, who was an 18th century poet who is described as "bohemian" and having a "vagabond existence".

Kindred spirits?

 

[not-bono-ever]

Leeching off the poor when you have assets in another country is not better than the fund my holiday twattery posted elsewhere. Time and time again you say how low wages are here and how cheap it is, yet are happy to boast of having stuff away from a plot without any kind of moral angst. Needs, yes, Lifestyle choice, no

patronising paternalistic neo colonial mindset. Typical entitled hippy.

 

[mrs quoad]

I regularly have to deal with crazy people thrusting broken bottles towards my face, and other similar situations.

What do you think it is about your face that makes it so attractive to thrusting broken bottles 'and other similar situations', Stan?

 

[rekil]

theres something quite unique about vegetables from the soil or fruit from the vine , something I can't quite put my finger on.

That unique pesticide tang.

 

[bimble]

I have many friends for many reasons. One reason being that they feel safe in my company. They know I am a very effective, and fair peace keeper. A peaceful resolution will always be the first option.

Other friends love him most of all for his belligerent boastfulness however.

 

[Reiabuzz]

It is blatantly obvious from all you post here that you are the biggest coward on the boards. Nothing scares me mate. Nothing. I regularly have to deal with crazy people thrusting broken bottles towards my face, and other similar situations. I have been beaten by police more than once. I can take it all. If I have to, I am willing to take the biggest fight. Especially if people I care about are in danger.

I have many friends for many reasons. One reason being that they feel safe in my company. They know I am a very effective, and fair peace keeper. A peaceful resolution will always be the first option.

Your humour suggests you lack human empathy. This suggest you may have issues yourself, but you are the one who introduced the tirade of abusive shit to this thread as you do in many threads. You are a pain in the fucking arse shitting all over the boards.

I've asked you not to stalk me here before. Then, someone pointed out that it isn't just me who is fucked off with your pathetic, cowardly posting. It seems many people feel you are stalking them.

OK?

Why don't you put him on ignore? I've got three of the biggest dickheads on here on ignore and since I did the boards are infitely better.

 

[cupid_stunt]

I regularly have to deal with crazy people thrusting broken bottles towards my face, and other similar situations. I have been beaten by police more than once.

What on earth do you do that results in people 'regularly' coming at you with broken bottles, and the police beating you up?

50 odd years on this planet, and having been in all sorts of weird & strange situations, never once has anyone come at me with a broken bottle.

You must be doing something wrong.