Fuck the hell off onto the appropriate thread, you self righteous wilfully semi-literate no mark. This is a memorial thread.
The debate, and indeed the fight, continues elsewhere.
List of those for whom Welfare Reform and cuts were too much to bear
- Thread starter Frankie Jack
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The debate, and indeed the fight, continues elsewhere.
Minnie_the_Minx
someinenhhanding menbag and me ah bollox
Or maybe we don't all have time to get into long-winded arguments?
Mrs Magpie
On a bit of break...
You will. I've deleted the others. This is not an appropriate thread for you to do this. Start another.
Treacle Toes
Time
No. I really won't. The premise of the thread is debatable, the very best memorial would have been to argue why it isn't, and it hasn't been made. The more you snip, the greater your failure.
ViolentPanda
Hardly getting over it.
The premise of the thread is people with disabilities, and their carers memorialising those who have died, perhaps because of the stress of applying for ESA. The premise of the thread isn't what you believe it to be.
So how about acting with grace, rather than like a cunt? Whoops, obviously your self-image is such that you can't possibly be a cunt. After all, someone who can declare, straight-faced, that "the more you snip, the greater your failure" doesn't at all manifest ego and arrogance commensurate with cuntishness.
And what would grace look like? Wondering if such deaths could be understood and avoided? Or passively noting it, and labelling a cunt anyone who asks such a question?
ViolentPanda
Hardly getting over it.
Post a thread asking the question and you won't be labelled a cunt (only you're being labelled, by the way, not "anyone"). That is what grace would look like. If you're too self-absorbed to realise that your petulant truculence reveals you as a no-mark of extreme cuntitude, that's hardly the problem of people on this thread.
Falcon wouldn't dream of living like a happy impoverished Indian.
Minnie_the_Minx
someinenhhanding menbag and me ah bollox
He's probably going to tell us he's lived in the slums of India now doing relief work
OK, I'm done. A thread raised by those who's jobs depend on it being true that people need their help is impossibly compromised by self interest. Your foul mouth only underscores it.
Falcon, sweetie, the carers mentioned on this thread are generally unpaid partners, relatives or friends, not paid careworkers. Their jobs don't depend on somebody being disabled or sick; on the contrary, in many cases they will have put at least part of their own lives on hold.
If you genuinely didn't realise that "carer" is supposed to only ever refer to the unpaid variety then I pity you.
ViolentPanda
Hardly getting over it.
Fuck the fuck off, you worthless shitehawk cunt.
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
I'd have been harsher myself.
ViolentPanda
Hardly getting over it.
I'm feeling exceptionally mellow at the moment, so I went easy.
In VP's defence, he's still a bit blissed out at the moment, post-migraine and er other stuff which would be TMI.
barney_pig
Po-cha-na-quar-hip
SWP get a slap for turning a tragedy into a sloppy political point
"
Don’t turn Declan into a stereotype
I am writing to correct Mr Ruairi O’Neill (Letters, 17 November). He states that “on 1 November the crisis in Ireland and Europe took on a clear face and a tragic story for me. Declan Gilmartin, 22, from Leitrum hanged himself in north London”.
The fact is Declan Gilmartin died on 2 November and Leitrim is the correct spelling of this county in Ireland.
Mr O’Neill is correct when he says “Like many young people from Ireland, economic conditions drove him to seek work abroad. He moved out of necessity rather than choice.”
However, the process did not make Declan “alienated and lonely”. He had family and friends in London before he arrived and he made numerous friends during his three years in Cricklewood.
He was a well respected and a well known young man in a very close knit Irish community. Declan played football for the GAA Garryowen football club.
The outstanding reception the Gilmartin family received from the Irish community reflects that this young man was by no means alienated and lonely. Over a hundred people gathered in St Agnes church in Cricklewood on Friday 9 November to offer their condolences and pay their respects to the family. Many of these people followed Declan to Ireland to bring him to his final resting place and attend his removal and funeral.
On the other hand, Mr O’Neill is correct when he describes how “Ireland is losing a generation. Some 182,900 15 to 29 year olds have left since the crisis began. Many then face real social problems without the support networks they grew up with.”
This is non-applicable to Declan Gilmartin, there is a Leitrim association in London. In Ireland, the GAA is the heart of every community and this is truly the case with the Garryowen football club.
London has numerous support networks for Irish emigrants, after all, the truth of the matter is, London is and traditionally always has been a very popular destination for Irish emigrants in this economic crisis and previous economic crises throughout Irish history.
Mr O’Neill emphasises that “Capitalism seeks to alienate and divide us, and we strive to offer a socialist alternative. But the only option Declan felt he had was to take his own life”.
Declan Gilmartin’s death was suicide by misadventure; it was not pre-planned or pre-meditated. This shows little respect for the Gilmartin family and his many friends, no consideration was given. Mr O’Neill makes an uneducated hypothesis and uses the tragic death of a young man as a case study which does not support the main theme of his letter.
I know the facts and I am educated to talk about this issue because I am Declan Gilmartin’s sister and our family have much appreciated respect and gratitude for the Irish support networks in London.
It is obvious Mr O’Neill did no previous research before writing. The grammar used was notorious. One can only wonder what University this so called writer Mr O’Neill attended.
Educate yourself before writing. In the words of Saint Augustine of Hippo: “The world is a book and those who do not travel read only one page.”
Karen Gilmartin, County Leitrim, Ireland"
"
Don’t turn Declan into a stereotype
I am writing to correct Mr Ruairi O’Neill (Letters, 17 November). He states that “on 1 November the crisis in Ireland and Europe took on a clear face and a tragic story for me. Declan Gilmartin, 22, from Leitrum hanged himself in north London”.
The fact is Declan Gilmartin died on 2 November and Leitrim is the correct spelling of this county in Ireland.
Mr O’Neill is correct when he says “Like many young people from Ireland, economic conditions drove him to seek work abroad. He moved out of necessity rather than choice.”
However, the process did not make Declan “alienated and lonely”. He had family and friends in London before he arrived and he made numerous friends during his three years in Cricklewood.
He was a well respected and a well known young man in a very close knit Irish community. Declan played football for the GAA Garryowen football club.
The outstanding reception the Gilmartin family received from the Irish community reflects that this young man was by no means alienated and lonely. Over a hundred people gathered in St Agnes church in Cricklewood on Friday 9 November to offer their condolences and pay their respects to the family. Many of these people followed Declan to Ireland to bring him to his final resting place and attend his removal and funeral.
On the other hand, Mr O’Neill is correct when he describes how “Ireland is losing a generation. Some 182,900 15 to 29 year olds have left since the crisis began. Many then face real social problems without the support networks they grew up with.”
This is non-applicable to Declan Gilmartin, there is a Leitrim association in London. In Ireland, the GAA is the heart of every community and this is truly the case with the Garryowen football club.
London has numerous support networks for Irish emigrants, after all, the truth of the matter is, London is and traditionally always has been a very popular destination for Irish emigrants in this economic crisis and previous economic crises throughout Irish history.
Mr O’Neill emphasises that “Capitalism seeks to alienate and divide us, and we strive to offer a socialist alternative. But the only option Declan felt he had was to take his own life”.
Declan Gilmartin’s death was suicide by misadventure; it was not pre-planned or pre-meditated. This shows little respect for the Gilmartin family and his many friends, no consideration was given. Mr O’Neill makes an uneducated hypothesis and uses the tragic death of a young man as a case study which does not support the main theme of his letter.
I know the facts and I am educated to talk about this issue because I am Declan Gilmartin’s sister and our family have much appreciated respect and gratitude for the Irish support networks in London.
It is obvious Mr O’Neill did no previous research before writing. The grammar used was notorious. One can only wonder what University this so called writer Mr O’Neill attended.
Educate yourself before writing. In the words of Saint Augustine of Hippo: “The world is a book and those who do not travel read only one page.”
Karen Gilmartin, County Leitrim, Ireland"
Minnie_the_Minx
someinenhhanding menbag and me ah bollox
Ruairi O’Neill can't even spell Leitrim? 
Treacle Toes
Time
Just came across this
http://www.parliament.uk/edm/2012-13/687
Erm.... :/
http://www.parliament.uk/edm/2012-13/687
https://www.facebook.com/groups/420430254683362/
Erm.... :/
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
yeh, it's pisspoorRuairi O’Neill can't even spell Leitrim?
Frankie Jack
Not a bloke..
Shelton benefits blunder victim Chris Cann dies
Cheerio lad.
TRIPLE amputee Chris Cann has been found dead in his house – just months after being told he had to undergo a medical assessment to prove he could not work.
Police were called to the address in Cauldon Road, Shelton, on Saturday evening after a carer found the 57-year-old's body.
Officers say there are no suspicious circumstances surrounding the death and friends suspect Chris may have suffered a heart attack.
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FIGHT FOR FUNDS: Chris Cann, aged 57, of Shelton, was housebound after losing both legs and a finger to diabetes.
Chris, who was housebound after losing both legs and a finger to diabetes, was told in August that he would have to undergo medical tests in order to receive the new Employment and Support Allowance.
He believed such an assessment would be a waste of time and money, as he was clearly unfit for work.
The Department for Work and Pensions later told Chris that he would not have to attend the assessment, after The Sentinel highlighted his case.
Cheerio lad.
Then fuck off you scumbag, how very bloody dare you imply even for one second that I (as one of the carers you referred to) live off my disabled husband!
Minnie_the_Minx
someinenhhanding menbag and me ah bollox
Is Falcon back again? Thought he got the boot?
He's still being a member.Is Falcon back again? Thought he got the boot?
But I'm not. I seem to be the only one who is actually interested in understanding what it is about our system that causes people to choose to end their lives rather than carry on living. I've been advised that this is an inappropriate question to ask in a thread which is intended to passively record the fact of their deaths. All that is left for me to do is to correct the most obvious misdirections.Then fuck off you scumbag, how very bloody dare you imply even for one second that I (as one of the carers you referred to) live off my disabled husband!
For what, exactly? Inappropriate concern?Is Falcon back again? Thought he got the boot?
Congratulations, sweetie, you're now on ignore. Your question is better asked on another thread.
Minnie_the_Minx
someinenhhanding menbag and me ah bollox
Just hadn't seen you. Thought you might have upset someone and got yourself a barring
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