Libya - civil unrest & now NATO involvement

[Casually Red]

very wise , particularly in this instance . NATO however have gambled heavily and have no intention of losing . The rebels are bollixed even with the airforces of dozens of countries . Therefore an invasion is the next step . NATO wont get UNSC approval for it so they'll have to bypass the mechanism . EU humanitarian mission is the hat theyll wear for the occasion .

 

[audiotech]

The terrifying reality.

 

[Idris2002]

NATO intervention is one option. But my guess is that some kind of face saving manouevre will be carried out behind the scenes. Look at how no one talks about Zimbabwe now that the MDC have a few token posts in the government, and despite the fact that Mugabe's goons are still tolchocking all round the place.

 

[pocketscience]

no , i wont , I'll just ignore him because he's talking shite again .

Avoiding the challenges again, scared of exposing yourself as a deluded hypocrite?

you put it a tad more eloquently than me certainly , but on this occasion one wholeheartedly concurs

Yes, he does have a way with words

i dont think I am going to engage with you anymore cus your a bit of a wanker

 

[dylans]

 

[weltweit]

Nato launches fresh attack in boost for rebels
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/wor...aunches-fresh-attack-in-boost-for-rebels.html
Nato launched a fresh attack on forces loyal to Col Muammar Gaddafi, destroying 25 tanks and providing a much-needed boost to the rebel fighters.

Coalition aircraft targeted Gaddafi troops outside Ajdabiya, in eastern Libya and Misurata, the only rebel held town in the west, which has been under siege for six weeks.

The strikes came as a delegation of African leaders arrived in Tripoli to try and persuade Gaddafi to halt the violence being meted on his own people.
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[Lock&Light]

President Zuma has announced that Gadaffi has agreed to cease-fire terms. What will the Bengazi response be?

 

[Divisive Cotton]

There's a map here of recent attacks in the Western Mountain region:

 

[Divisive Cotton]

Here's a song for Casually Red:

 

[weltweit]

Nick Clegg edits out his Libya connection
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/a...ts-Libya-connection-CV.html?ito=feeds-newsxml

Nick Clegg, whose attack on middle-class parents who secure work for their children backfired when it emerged his millionaire father had arranged his first job, has been conspicuously silent about another period early in his career.

He has airbrushed from his CV on the Lib Dem website his 18-month stint in 1992 with a firm of political lobbyists which earned millions of pounds trying to have economic sanctions lifted on Colonel Gaddafi’s Libya.
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[Idris2002]

Reports are beginning to emerge that a boat carrying Eritrean refugees trying to get out of Libya was machine-gunned by persons unknown. I'll post something more if something definitive turns up, but apparently bodies are already washing up on the Libyan coast, and they don't appear to have died of drowning. . .

 

[weltweit]

Libya rape woman gives new details of ordeal
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/apr/12/libya-rape-woman-ordeal
Iman al-Obeidi says she was repeatedly raped by 15 men, one allegedly a cousin of Muammar Gaddafi

 

[magneze]

Hague sounded completely out of his depth on R4 this morning. Admitted that they acted in haste and has no idea how to end the conflict.

 

[Lock&Light]

Unfortunately, haste was required.

 

[magneze]

We were told that it was and that our haste was required. I'm pretty sceptical about both of them tbh.

 

[Casually Red]

Yes, he does have a way with words

cunt off

 

[Casually Red]

Unfortunately, haste was required.

otherwise people might find out the tribal propaganda was a load of bollocks and theyd lose . This shit would have been all over now and normality restored. Sadly it will take a few more weeks now to put down the counter revolution and send the western puppets packing .

 

[Lock&Light]

You have a very peculiar view on actuallity.

 

[Casually Red]

Saif busy arming the Libyan people

 

[Divisive Cotton]

Groups that support Colonel Gadaffi: Communist Party of Great Britain Marxist-Leninist, Workers' Revolutionary Party

Any others to add to the Trot / Stalin axis?

 

[Divisive Cotton]

It's difficult these days as the ultras have mostly died out. I remember 20 years ago they were queuing up to declare "Victory to Iraq"

 

[Divisive Cotton]

International Communist Current (left communist) ? No
Spartacus League (4th Inters)? No
RCP (USA) (Maoist)? No

 

[elbows]

Saif busy arming the Libyan people

Thats a rather old video, what were you trying to suggest by posting it now?

 

[ernestolynch]

Groups that support Colonel Gadaffi: Communist Party of Great Britain Marxist-Leninist, Workers' Revolutionary Party

Any others to add to the Trot / Stalin axis?

Who gives a fuck about hairy western sects?

 

[TruXta]

Who gives a fuck about hairy western sects?

In other words, who gives a fuck about you?

 

[ernestolynch]

In other words, who gives a fuck about you?

Hello you soppy liberal twat.

 

[Lock&Light]

I wish you'd stay away from serious threads, ernie.

 

[binka]

Unfortunately, haste was required.

if you're going to start bombing the fuck out of a foreign country haste is probably the least important part of any plan of action. what was actually required more than anything was a plan.

 

[Lock&Light]

I don't think the people of Bengazi could have survived any longer.

 

[dylans]

I don't think the people of Bengazi could have survived any longer.

I think this attempt to portray Benghazi as about to face a Rwandan style genocide is wearing a little thin frankly. There is no evidence that Gaddafi intended to commit atrocities against the civilians of Benghazi. First there is no evidence that Gaddafi could have taken a town of over a million people fighting street to street but lets say he did take it. What would have happened? Sure the rebels would have been pushed into Tabruk and ultimately the rebellion would have been crushed. Sure the secret police would have gone to work on the leadership (those that didnt flee to Egypt) But there is no evidence of widespread civilian atrocities in the former rebel towns that have since fallen to Gaddafi.

This is precisely the scaremongering that makes people suspicious. Besides it begs the question. Why do those who support Western intervention think the fate of Tripoli will be any better if it falls to rebel forces? Are we to expect that Gaddafi loyalists will be given a cup of tea and a chat? Will those who support Western attacks on Gaddafi forces be calling for the West to come to the defence of Tripoli if the rebels get that far?