Libya - civil unrest & now NATO involvement

[Casually Red]

What do you make of Gaddafi's ceasefire, CR? [/url]

You seem to be persisting with the ridiculous notion theres only one group of armed belligerents . A ceasefire takes two .I think it was pretty much unsustainable purely due to the puppet forces never having observed it and using it and the air cover as a perfect opportunity for a series of jubilant offensives ever since , thankfully taking a good kicking in the process and being beaten back . But as we know in the Orwellian world of western intervention and crusades heavily armed bands of rebels are actually civilians . When they attack and Libyan forces fight back its a breach of a ceasefire by the Libyans .

 

[Casually Red]

I think Gadaffi was lying when he admitted to the Lockerbie bombing. He only signed up to that for political reasons, it allowed him to cease being an international pariah. Syria is much more likely to be the guilty country according to Robert Fisk.

I dont think he ever actually admitted to it , simply agreed to pay compensation out of political expediency .

 

[Casually Red]

So, it's unclear who is in charge and what the objective is. Even the Iraq conflict had answers to those ones.

Cameron and his crew have been openly saying its about regime change for weeks now . Which is completely illegal . Their top General made pains to publicly point out they are not permited to kill Ghadaffi , which is also illegal , only for Cameron to slap him down and claim he is mistaken on that point . While also claiming the decision to fire Cruise missiles at Ghadafis home isnt an attempt to kill him , but purely for humanitarian reasons and something to do with a NO fly zone .
Norway is now refusing to take part unless the whole exercise is clarified . Sarkozy is opposed to NATO taking over . Th Arab League are now starting to get jittery now its becoming more and more apparent whats happening is another western crusade and western missiles are racking up civilian casualties , making them even more unpopular with their own people . Tunisians are the first to start making protestations of a completely disproportionate western response . ARab League now backtracking and talking about Libyas membership being frozen as opposed to expulsion . Russia , India China and Brazil are all well fucked off and there demands for another UNSC meeting on the issue.

In other words its a complete fucking mess and is only going to get worse . And Ghadaffis not remotely fucking scared , the Libyan forces and their volunteers are only getting more beliigerent and determined . He could well come out of this a hero yet .

And the King of Bahrain who invited the Saudis in to machine gun his own population has an invite to the Royal fucking wedding .

 

[PFay]

As to legality of targeting Gaddafi - sorry, but as I wrote in the following article, only the US gets impunity for war crimes:
http://theclearview.wordpress.com/2011/03/22/diplomatic-slight-of-hand/

Obama’s Diplomatic Slight-of-hand
It is common to American diplomacy, when faced with an impasse of opposition to its policies, to resort to what American writer Randolph Bourne called the diplomatic “slight-of-hand” :

“Diplomacy is a disguised war, in which states seek to gain by barter and intrigue, by the cleverness of arts, the objectives which they would have to gain more clumsily by means of war.”

[... continued at http://theclearview.wordpress.com/2011/03/22/diplomatic-slight-of-hand/ ]

 

[weltweit]

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And the King of Bahrain who invited the Saudis in to machine gun his own population has an invite to the Royal fucking wedding .

Outrage!!

 

[Casually Red]

Russia and China demanding the attacks stop . Italy now threatening to withdraw use of its airbases . Thus the ill conceived crusader debacle continues to unfold

meanwhile in Gaza a family of 4 are massacred and dozens wounded in Zionist artillery strikes .

 

[Casually Red]

Algeria openly calling for foreign intervention to cease . There goes the unanimous resolve of the Arab League . More cracks in this thing than Jordans minge

 

[Divisive Cotton]

Algeria were originally against a no-fly zone and, with Syria, voted against it in the Arab League

 

[Divisive Cotton]

Algeria openly calling for foreign intervention to cease . There goes the unanimous resolve of the Arab League . More cracks in this thing than Jordans minge

Arab League to reiterate backing for Libya no-fly zone

 

[weltweit]

I think parliament should be discussing arming the rebels and the issues surrounding this, if the situation in Libya is to reach a conclusion one side or the other has to win, or the country to be split which seems untenable because of resource issues.

The UN resolution appears already to state that Gaddafi winning is not palatable or acceptable though he was quite close to it so the only other end game seems to be that the rebels win, all the way west to Tripoli.

But for that to happen, it is still likely that the rebels will need arming and possibly training as so far they have been no match for Gaddafi's forces. Firstly there is an arms embargo which is not clear if it applies only to the Gaddafi regime or also applies to the rebels. The Egyptians are already supplying Benghazi with some small arms and ammunition but perhaps they need more than that. If the air strikes have not wiped out all the regimes tanks, the rebels will need weapons to take on tanks.

I would expect that rather than just giving out AK47s to the population, those arming the rebels have a duty to ensure that they actually know how to use their weapons, rather than just wasting bullets by firing into the air at every opportunity. Training is however going to take time, weeks and months probably and it does seem reasonable that it might be weeks and months before the rebels are ready to go on the offensive again.

So that is weeks and months more that the UN allies will have to destroy Gaddafi's tanks where they can and enforce the no-fly zone - all of which may become quite expensive for the UN Allies.

I can't see an end to violence in Libya in less than a number of months time.

 

[TomUS]

meanwhile in Gaza a family of 4 are massacred and dozens wounded in Zionist artillery strikes .

And the relevance of that is.......?

 

[Deareg]

And the relevance of that is.......?

Read the thread, the relevance has been pointed out often enough.

 

[DrRingDing]

And the relevance of that is.......?

It's called hypocracy.

 

[magneze]

Italy now threatening to withdraw use of its airbases.

Where did you hear about that?

 

[Anudder Oik]

And the relevance of that is.......?

The relevance is that gaddafi isn't the only cunt who is shelling civilians with artillery. It reveals this lousy intervention to be hipocritical.

Now if you look at the greater picture, the ousting of US puppet dictators such as Mubarak and the coming of democracy to the region means that the murderous antics of the Israeli terrorist state will no longer be tolerated. understand?

 

[rekil]

The first casualty of war is always the correct spelling of hypocrisy.

 

[Divisive Cotton]

Where did you hear about that?

like most of his "facts" its based on conjecture, myth or outright untruths

 

[Divisive Cotton]

Can you hear Gadaffi sing? I can't hear a fucking thing

He's going very quiet hasn't he? Must be hiding under his bed - still, makes a change from hiding behind unarmed civilians in his Tripoli compound

 

[DrRingDing]

The tiny cocks of the US military strike again....

http://www.channel4.com/news/third-night-of-bombing-in-libya

Six villagers in a field on the outskirts of Benghazi were shot and injured when a US helicopter landed to rescue a crew member from the crashed jet

 

[Chester Copperpot]

The tiny cocks of the US military strike again....

http://www.channel4.com/news/third-night-of-bombing-in-libya

Apparently the villages we all wanting to shake the pilots hand. Then his mates swooped in and shot six of them.

 

[rekil]

like most of his "facts" its based on conjecture, myth or outright untruths

I'm a bit worried about that fucking loon. He'll be turning muslim next.

Colonel Muammar Gaddafi invites 500 Italian women to villa and lectures them on Islam.

And again last year.

 

[Divisive Cotton]

The tiny cocks of the US military strike again....

http://www.channel4.com/news/third-night-of-bombing-in-libya

They must have forgotten they weren't in Afghanistan

 

[Anudder Oik]

They must have forgotten they weren't in Afghanistan

Yeah, they could have posed for photos and all with the victims as trophies.

 

[Anudder Oik]

Quote from Channel 4 news on the result of that "rescue".

Lindsey Hilsum has been in the hospital where some of the injured were taken. She has spoken to the father of a young boy who expects to have his leg amputated due to a bullet wound.

Blah blah ...protect the civilians, erm oil, erm civilians....cough...

 

[Casually Red]

Where did you hear about that?

Italy said it could withdraw its bases without a co-ordinated Nato structure and Norway said its jets would not take part in the action as long as it was unclear who was in overall command.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-12816226

like most of his "facts" its based on conjecture, myth or outright untruths

I'm a bit worried about that fucking loon. He'll be turning muslim next.

what the fucks wrong with being a muslim ? why should that worry anyone ?

Please shut up . Youve been constantly asked throughout this thread to address the issue regarding any posts of mine you take issue with and to challenge them with facts . You havent done so , you dont have them . All you can do is cackle on like an old woman throwing your hands up in annoyance at hearing something you dont want said .

Italy is openly talking about withdrawing its airbases , its not made up . Its fucking happenig and theres the link . Just like all the other fucking links I provided to back up what Im saying . Which isnt that Ghadaffi had fled to Venezuela , or that hed airbombed demonstrators , or hired legions of mercenaries or saved up all the dead bodies of the people he killed in big freezers weeks in advance in order to leave them strewn around the western bomb craters . Thats the absolute horseshit your happy to hear and happy to have everyone running round la la land believing in .
Address the issue or give over .

 

[Anudder Oik]

Six villagers in a field on the outskirts of Benghazi were shot and injured when a US helicopter landed to rescue a crew member from the crashed jet

I hope that with the 3 million pounds this mission is costing daily the soldiers had some chewing gum to hand out to everybody.

 

[Casually Red]

Can you hear Gadaffi sing? I can't hear a fucking thing

He's going very quiet hasn't he? Must be hiding under his bed - still, makes a change from hiding behind unarmed civilians in his Tripoli compound

if you arent the editor of The Sun already you fucking should be .
Incisive contribution .

 

[ernestolynch]

Wasn't that div cot chap once left wing?

 

[dylans]

Wasn't that div cot chap once left wing?

Weren't you once left wing too?

 

[ernestolynch]

I'm the most left wing here.