LGBT in schools vs religious parents

[Pickman's model]

So, Anton do your "big reveal" and then the rest of us can move on.

Thanks.

i fear his big reveal won't be what anyone wants to see

 

[chilango]

i fear his big reveal won't be what anyone wants to see

Sometimes you've got to just rip that plaster off in one go.

 

[Anton]

?Big reveal?
there isn't one. apart from that Leftism is a religion, and the more ultra left it is, the more religious it is.
anarchism is the most religious of all, but trotskyism is also pretty religious.

the irony is that so many anarchists spent so much time working on 'no borders' and arguing passionately to let everyone in etc.
but, quelle surprise, the people they let in , the immigrant communities are in fact way even more conservative and religious than anybody in the Conservative party, and quelle surprise, they don't go for LGBT rights in a big way. Why can you fact this fact, and from there, deal with a response. But you cant.

gay muslims, ex muslims, etc are irrelevant and will achieve nothing, apart from possibly some deaths.

Perhaps this ought to be looked at rather than the authoritarian stalino-anarchist ways of shutting down any debate.
I am not a fascist. i am supporting Jews and Muslims, ethnic minorities against the white power structure and leftist statist authoritarianism.
I am the real anarchist, defending organic values against artificial state created 'british values' that nobody really believes.
anarchism isn't the same thing as 'the left'.
anarchism is about anti statism. religious conservatives are the real anarchists.

 

[danny la rouge]

I am not a fascist

Feeling the need to clarify this should ring warning bells.

 

[8ball]

?Big reveal?
there isn't one. apart from that Leftism is a religion, and the more ultra left it is, the more religious it is.
anarchism is the most religious of all, but trotskyism is also pretty religious.

the irony is that so many anarchists spent so much time working on 'no borders' and arguing passionately to let everyone in etc.
but, quelle surprise, the people they let in , the immigrant communities are in fact way even more conservative and religious than anybody in the Conservative party, and quelle surprise, they don't go for LGBT rights in a big way. Why can you fact this fact, and from there, deal with a response. But you cant.

gay muslims, ex muslims, etc are irrelevant and will achieve nothing, apart from possibly some deaths.

Perhaps this ought to be looked at rather than the authoritarian stalino-anarchist ways of shutting down any debate.
I am not a fascist. i am supporting Jews and Muslims, ethnic minorities against the white power structure and leftist statist authoritarianism.
I am the real anarchist, defending organic values against artificial state created 'british values' that nobody really believes.
anarchism isn't the same thing as 'the left'.
anarchism is about anti statism. religious conservatives are the real anarchists.

This is the first time I’ve read a post like this that wasn’t peppered with capital letters in weird places, with heaps of exclamation marks and neurotic ellipses.

So. Well done for that, I guess.

 

[ElizabethofYork]

This is the first time I’ve read a post like this that wasn’t peppered with capital letters in weird places, with heaps of exclamation marks and neurotic ellipses.

So. Well done for that, I guess.

And in green ink.

 

[19sixtysix]

?Big reveal?
there isn't one. apart from that Leftism is a religion, and the more ultra left it is, the more religious it is.
anarchism is the most religious of all, but trotskyism is also pretty religious.

the irony is that so many anarchists spent so much time working on 'no borders' and arguing passionately to let everyone in etc.
but, quelle surprise, the people they let in , the immigrant communities are in fact way even more conservative and religious than anybody in the Conservative party, and quelle surprise, they don't go for LGBT rights in a big way. Why can you fact this fact, and from there, deal with a response. But you cant.

gay muslims, ex muslims, etc are irrelevant and will achieve nothing, apart from possibly some deaths.

Perhaps this ought to be looked at rather than the authoritarian stalino-anarchist ways of shutting down any debate.
I am not a fascist. i am supporting Jews and Muslims, ethnic minorities against the white power structure and leftist statist authoritarianism.
I am the real anarchist, defending organic values against artificial state created 'british values' that nobody really believes.
anarchism isn't the same thing as 'the left'.
anarchism is about anti statism. religious conservatives are the real anarchists.

And in green ink.

Fixed

 

[ElizabethofYork]

Perhaps this ought to be looked at rather than the authoritarian stalino-anarchist ways of shutting down any debate.

Shutting down debate? errrr... 25 pages of debate so far and counting.

 

[TruXta]

Stalin, famous anarchist that he was.

 

[Anton]

thats what we should all do to show our adherence to progress and liberal progressive values.
we should all go down to the next gay parade, put on leather pants and tight vest, and jump up and down with a rainbow flag shouting; LOVE IS LOVE!

 

[ElizabethofYork]

thats what we should all do to show our adherence to progress and liberal progressive values.
we should all go down to the next gay parade, put on leather pants and tight vest, and jump up and down with a rainbow flag shouting; LOVE IS LOVE!

Feel free. I'll see you there.

 

[littlebabyjesus]

I am the real anarchist, defending organic values

So much to choose from, but I'll just pick this. 'organic values'? Really? You think being anti-homosexual is somehow 'organic' when it comes in the guise of religion? we're back to the previous point about potentially racist and condescending attitudes towards ethnic minorities. I think you're the one displaying that condescension and implied racism here by conflating beliefs with ethnicity as if the one sprang 'organically' out of the other.

 

[Anton]

there is conflation to some extent between beliefs and ethnicity. LGBT ideology is a western ideology.

 

[littlebabyjesus]

thats what we should all do to show our adherence to progress and liberal progressive values.
we should all go down to the next gay parade, put on leather pants and tight vest, and jump up and down with a rainbow flag shouting; LOVE IS LOVE!

That's what these damn teachers want, isn't it? A school trip to gay pride, handing out free condoms and instruction videos on phone apps demonstrating safe fisting techniques.

 

[Puddy_Tat]

thats what we should all do to show our adherence to progress and liberal progressive values.
we should all go down to the next gay parade, put on leather pants and tight vest, and jump up and down with a rainbow flag shouting; LOVE IS LOVE!

 

[littlebabyjesus]

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I'm sensing issues.

 

[Athos]

?... religious conservatives are the real anarchists.

Oh, what a shame. You were doing so well, but flew that bit closer to the sun. It's a fine line between being a great troll and a shit one.

 

[ElizabethofYork]

Anton, you've been asked a few times now what you think should happen. Do you think that discussion of LGBT issues should be banned in schools?

Why won't you answer?

 

[brogdale]

Anton, you've been asked a few times now what you think should happen. Do you think that discussion of LGBT issues should be banned in schools?

Why won't you answer?

He's checking wid Tommeh

 

[Anton]

Anton, you've been asked a few times now what you think should happen. Do you think that discussion of LGBT issues should be banned in schools?

Why won't you answer?

yes, it shouldn't be promoted.
it can be discussed when they are older.
they are exposed to enought LGBT ideology in the media, there is no need to promote it.
also most of it is false. you can't 'really' change your gender. Terf vs trans
this is too divisive and invasive.

 

[brogdale]

As I said.

 

[trabuquera]

So how do you define the difference between "promoting" and "discussing" then Anton?

 

[danny la rouge]

Oh, what a shame. You were doing so well, but flew that bit closer to the sun. It's a fine line between being a great troll and a shit one.

 

[Pickman's model]

thats what we should all do to show our adherence to progress and liberal progressive values.
we should all go down to the next gay parade, put on leather pants and tight vest, and jump up and down with a rainbow flag shouting; LOVE IS LOVE!

Let's see a picture of you in your leather pants and tight vest then

 

[xenon]

To be clear about this, 'LGBT being taught' doesn't mean kids are getting instruction manuals handed out to them. Respect for people with diverse sexualities is the issue at point here. I would expect all schools to teach that. If parents have a problem with it, tough shit.

Exactly. But the opponents of this teaching will call it "promotion."

 

[Reno]

yes, it shouldn't be promoted.
it can be discussed when they are older.
they are exposed to enought LGBT ideology in the media, there is no need to promote it.
also most of it is false. you can't 'really' change your gender. Terf vs trans
this is too divisive and invasive.

 

[xenon]

thats what we should all do to show our adherence to progress and liberal progressive values.
we should all go down to the next gay parade, put on leather pants and tight vest, and jump up and down with a rainbow flag shouting; LOVE IS LOVE!

Yeah cos all the gays do that. I mean it's what they're like isn't it, with their ideology and that. No hetro people do of course. THat's how you can tell the difference.

 

[Orang Utan]

Anyway, what exactly is wrong with promoting homosexuality or any other kind of sexuality? It's sounds like awesome fun. Imagine only kneeling for prayer. Yawn.

 

[eoin_k]

Have we established whether we should be taking the side of the gays or the immigrants in Anton's view yet?

 

[ElizabethofYork]

yes, it shouldn't be promoted.
it can be discussed when they are older.
they are exposed to enought LGBT ideology in the media, there is no need to promote it.
also most of it is false. you can't 'really' change your gender. Terf vs trans
this is too divisive and invasive.

I said "discussed" not "promoted".

Should LGBT issues be discussed in schools?