Liked - but don't agree with the join the Greens bit there. Agree with the rest thoughThe thing with threads like this is the same points occur again and again.
There are no shortcuts. Yes, the branding is usually shit and really, really should better. Yes, the slogans are just that, rather than more concretely articulated policies. And yes, the name is wrong. And yes, the language is archaic. All of this could easily, and so should, change. It's not the answer though.
Electoral politics takes time. No party has appeared out of nowhere and maintained success. People need to stick at it.
There is a blueprint. If you choose to accept it. "Dogshit politics" and regular news tyres about the cleaning up of said dogshit. The Lib Dems, the Greens and even (briefly) the BNP have all proved this.
Join the Greens. Save yourselves a decade or two of grunt work and join a Party that's already a way along the road. Sure, they're no revolutionaries, but this is electoral politics we're talking about remember? If getting elected is your aim (rather than gaining a platform, in which case this discussion is largely irrelevant, no?) then the Greens are your answer.
That's it. The uncomfortable truth. In my humble opinion of course. But I'm sure we'll be here again come the next round of lost deposits from the same few hundred people under yet another banner. Oh well
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DotCommunist
So many particulars. So many questions.
there's a phantom dogshit sprayer out there, he'd make a useful addition to your nascent political party. If he can be radicalised.
He's probably on the Left Unity national committee already
chilango
Hypothetical Wanker
Spanky Longhorn I'm not advocating people join the Greens.
I'm advocating people who see their political activity revolving around/defined by/judged by electoral campaigns join the Greens.
If you see what I mean!
I'm advocating people who see their political activity revolving around/defined by/judged by electoral campaigns join the Greens.
If you see what I mean!
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Fair enough - though given how the Greens are in power (coalition or otherwise) such as Brighton and Leeds; why not just cut out the middle man and join Labour? (Aimed at the same people not you).
free spirit
more tea vicar?
labour are a party that has embraced neoliberal economics, the greens have clearly rejected neoliberal economics.
Not that the Greens alternative to neoliberal economics is exactly perfectly worked out, it contains clear contradictions between the keynesian based sustainable development ethos, and the fucking stupid zero growth ethos, but that's a much more potentially winnable battle than attempting to ween labour off their neoliberal ethos.
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
Why bother with that battle? Because it fills the time of professional managers.
free spirit
more tea vicar?
what?
are you under the impression I was getting paid for co-ordinating the campaign here?
Why bother.... because it's a largely left wing party on the cusp of real electoral breakthroughs, but needs to get this contradiction in it's core ethos and policies resolved otherwise it will tear itself apart / end up trying to implement counterproductive policies that I couldn't support.
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
Who mentioned payment? Professional here means people who just boss and love to boss, love to be the boss. And you, leading it leftwards - boss style. You and and your army of boss redressers win your battle. So what? You're the bosses of your own disaster.
free spirit
more tea vicar?
so nobody should ever attempt to co-ordinate things properly then?
just leave everyone to randomly sort themselves out as best they can / leave the candidate to attempt to do it by themselves while also having to spend half their life answering emails, attending hustings etc.
That'd maybe be one of the reasons we got 7% in the general / 13.5% in the council elections across the constituency, got a town councillor elected, got over 30% in one ward.
You also know fuck all about my style of doing things. I certainly wasn't sat behind a desk ordering other people about.
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
Yes, without you, the chaos. Def not a proff bosser arounder. No wonder you are picking up support from pro bosser arounbders. Entrepreneurial self starting bosser arounders esp.
free spirit
more tea vicar?
you're dribbling now.
No I didn't do that by myself, but the existing team were too overstretched by attempting to stand candidates everywhere across Leeds, and didn't really know how to handle the influx of new members to get them properly involved.
When your entire support can fit into someones living room it's pretty easy to co-ordinate things loosely between you. When you've got 250 members across 2 local parties, and around 80 volunteers helping out in various ways across the constituency, that takes a bit more co-ordination. It needs someone to attempt to create some order from the chaos and ensure people's efforts are effective, people aren't doubling up leafletting the same areas, leaflets are produced, arrive on time and are distributed to everyone efficiently,and keeping in touch with people to ensure as many people as possible are involved.
But I'm the type who leads from the front, spending more time out leafletting, putting up stake boards etc than pretty much anyone else, other than a couple of the candidates, and spent 4-5 days after the election gathering the boards back in etc.
Fuck knows what your problem is beyond just being a bellend.
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
But I'm the type who leads from the front, spending more time out leafletting, putting up stake boards etc than pretty much anyone else, other than a couple of the candidates, and spent 4-5 days after the election gathering the boards back in etc.
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
I'm great in fact.
free spirit
more tea vicar?
I work my arse off, and don't ask anyone to do stuff I'm not doing myself, was the point.
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
Single handedly being great.
free spirit
more tea vicar?
no, nobody can mount a decent constituency campaign single handedly. My input was to enable as many people as possible to be involved in the campaign, and at the same time to work my arse off myself. It was a team effort by a lot of people.
as I said, you know nothing about it.
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
If anyone was great, in this great team result it was me. Not that i like to talk about it. Me being great i mean.
Brighton and Leeds and Bristol all provide evidence that you're talking rubbish - in theory huge elements of the Labour Party and the Greens are anti austerity. In practice though...
Edited -- can't be arsed.
J Ed
Follow Back Pro Expropriation
Not to mention the example of the Green Party in France, Ireland, Germany... etc
What happened to the Class War electoral effort that was at one stage promoting itself as the only viable option for the working class?
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