The39thStep
Urban critical thinker
The key issue was that the branch split and then imploded, it had neither the guile , capacity or national party backing to do well. Searchlights one horse tactic or 'exposing' the BNP was background noise.
Labour win Oldham East by-election by 3,000 votes on on 48% turn out
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The key issue was that the branch split and then imploded, it had neither the guile , capacity or national party backing to do well. Searchlights one horse tactic or 'exposing' the BNP was background noise.
ferrelhadley
There is no love between us anymore.
Thing is by going soft on the by election, Cameron ratherly neatly avoids an embarrassing result himself. The drop in the tory vote can be safely laid at the feet of tactical voting. Any drop in support from either switching or stay aways is masked.
But the real damage from this by election is that it is a real result that backs the polling numbers of the liberals, it makes Camerons government look like it is being propped up by a totally discredited party. It undermines the perception of his authority to govern. Another labour MP is due to take the Chiltern Hundreds soon, the liberals only have 17% of the vote in Barnsley Central so the tory base is unlikely to vote tactically there, there is no reason. So if the liberals really tank in that one the coalition will look like a lame duck.
But the real damage from this by election is that it is a real result that backs the polling numbers of the liberals, it makes Camerons government look like it is being propped up by a totally discredited party. It undermines the perception of his authority to govern. Another labour MP is due to take the Chiltern Hundreds soon, the liberals only have 17% of the vote in Barnsley Central so the tory base is unlikely to vote tactically there, there is no reason. So if the liberals really tank in that one the coalition will look like a lame duck.
audiotech
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Let's not forget when at their height the BNP were polling really high figures, where there was little, if any presence, or canvassing by them.
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They were opposition parties then, fighting a general election. Now they're in government and contesting an opposition-held seat in a by-election.
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
Thanks for that.
taffboy gwyrdd
Embrace the confusion!
oh ffs! Hello, HELLO, Taffboy, anyone home? Woolas and about 2/3 other people stirred the race hate. he kept his own CLP almost entirely in the dark. The new MP was not party to this in any way. For the umpteenth time; the right people have been appropriately punished. Time to move on.
sheesh, you really are hard work
Could the poor CLP members not read and ask if the basic premise of the claims were true? Or did they not give a shit? My money is on the latter. Did they think it was fine to photoshop an opponent being led away why the police? I spoke to someone who sat through the entire trial and knows the area well. According to him this is not the culture of 2/3 people. We keep having to let things go, having to "move on". It often only invites more trouble and shit in the future.
Just making the point that there's nothing useful to be gained from a comparison.
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
Plenty of useful things to be gained from a comparison. See thread.
Kill that green TORY slime
Of course he would he's green slime.
The39thStep
Urban critical thinker
what ever makes you think that? In my experience aside from where they stood to test the ground by using their national brand rather than a live candidate that they canvassed with impunity.
Just after the riots in Oldham I observed a BNP canvass team of 8-10 doing street after street with no opposition. Another team were followed around by a group of ANL led by MK holding BNP=Nazi posters but were back the next day unopposed.
taffboy gwyrdd
Embrace the confusion!
So you'd rather the LibDems had won then? Answer the sodding question ....
I dont support the Libdems or Labour. They are both far too right wing for my liking. Why should I rather any of them win?
You sound just like the war apologist muppets: "So you WANT SADDAM IN POWER THEN?? DON'T YOU? DON'T YOU?? ANSWER THE QUESTION !!11!!
A complete load of phoney bollocks, not untypical of the redrose apologists.
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
Jesus wept - you did precisely what you're accusing others of from your first bloody post on this thread.
taffboy gwyrdd
Embrace the confusion!
First time we stood, got some activists and a new branch out of it.
So not great, but we achieved some objectives that less large parties would hope to achieve.
Support from national was disappointing which I will try and see to internally. The party is clearly a very long way from where it needs to be, some of that is our fault and some of it aint.
In 3 days of campaigning that I helped with not one single person was rude to me or any other activist, more or less the opposite of "every one" telling me or others to "fuck off". What you are doing there is spouting hyperbole and nonsense. Have you considered a career in politics?
belboid
Exasperated, not angry.
sorry, I should leave that to you.
You're lot are less popular than the BNP, a group still renowned locally (it seems) for there promotion of a gang rapist. At a time when your co-thinkers (which they are, like it or not) in the lib-dems are carrying out harakiri your lot should have been a shoe in for a couple of thou from them. Instead you got an abysmal 1.5%. That's a much bigger 'fuck off' than merely saying the words ever would be.
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
come back when you get an entire tree
Careful with that petard, Eugene. For someone who likes to bang on about how dumb and brainless the working class are you really are one thick bastard.
frogwoman
No amount of cajolery...
taffboy gwyrdd
Embrace the confusion!
I've certainly never argued that dumbness etc. are exclusive to the working class, that would indeed hang myself by my own petard, because the extent to which I own the means of production is nil.
Obviously I could end this post with a vapid unqualified insult to render this post meaningful in some peoples eyes, but I cant be arsed. Life's too short.
taffboy gwyrdd
Embrace the confusion!
A quick reminder to those who see Labour through rose tinted glasses now that the other tories are back in.
Round about now you'd be expected to take those glasses off so you could be eye scanned for a database to monitor you for life and have your private data flogged to corporations. And there'd still be cuts, just cuts that the war crims never bothered to specify out of understandable political expediency. Still, it might be easier to call people names than to engage with anything as obtuse as reality.
Round about now you'd be expected to take those glasses off so you could be eye scanned for a database to monitor you for life and have your private data flogged to corporations. And there'd still be cuts, just cuts that the war crims never bothered to specify out of understandable political expediency. Still, it might be easier to call people names than to engage with anything as obtuse as reality.
Proper Tidy
Arsed
Fuck off liberal
You actually think everyone is that stupid, don't you? At the same time you still don't appear to understand that your initital bleat of "if you cheer the Lib Dems losing you must be a New Labour supporter" utterly crucifies you when put alongside your subsequent posts?
love detective
there's no love too small
quite an interesting analysis from Griffin on the result here
http://www.b*np.org.uk/news/oldham-–-what-we-must-learn-–-and-do-–-go-back-winning
Though, of course, we do need to have many more people working – both hard and smart. This brings us to the final part of this post-Oldham review. Where are we going to get those new recruits, given that the disconnect between soft support and votes is dwarfed by the gap between that soft support and actual active membership?
What can we do to catch the men and women and youngsters who wave at us and honk their car hooters in support, and turn them not just into voters but even into activists and BNP leaders in their own communities?
Well, we know that we have a disconnect. So logically we can only overcome it if we connect. That can only happen in one of two ways: Either we just keep going as we are, and wait until some future crisis (economic collapse, Islamic dirty bomb, banking collapse, there are several possible candidates) forces people to turn to us at some stage in the future.
Or we change how we work and stop merely talking about ‘sinking local roots’ and actually knuckle down to do it.Personally, I am a firm believer in the adage that “the Lord helps those who help themselves”, and I am not inclined to sit around waiting for some future ‘Crisis’ to sweep us into power (not least because no-one was ever swept into power who hadn’t first spent years preparing the ground and building the organisation needed to take advantage of the crisis)
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The System knows, probably better than we do, our growing potential. That’s why we’ve had to face the failed CEHR attempt to destroy us, endless financial pressure, the artificial promotion of the UKIP and blatantly Zionist-backed EDL electoral and street safety valves, frantic attempts to use undercover police officers and other ‘internal’ opposition to demoralise and divide and keep us too busy with rubbish to move forward, and the use of ‘far-left’ organised by other undercover police spies to intimidate people who would otherwise help us and try to push us into sterile confrontation with cranks.
http://www.b*np.org.uk/news/oldham-–-what-we-must-learn-–-and-do-–-go-back-winning
Though, of course, we do need to have many more people working – both hard and smart. This brings us to the final part of this post-Oldham review. Where are we going to get those new recruits, given that the disconnect between soft support and votes is dwarfed by the gap between that soft support and actual active membership?
What can we do to catch the men and women and youngsters who wave at us and honk their car hooters in support, and turn them not just into voters but even into activists and BNP leaders in their own communities?
Well, we know that we have a disconnect. So logically we can only overcome it if we connect. That can only happen in one of two ways: Either we just keep going as we are, and wait until some future crisis (economic collapse, Islamic dirty bomb, banking collapse, there are several possible candidates) forces people to turn to us at some stage in the future.
Or we change how we work and stop merely talking about ‘sinking local roots’ and actually knuckle down to do it.Personally, I am a firm believer in the adage that “the Lord helps those who help themselves”, and I am not inclined to sit around waiting for some future ‘Crisis’ to sweep us into power (not least because no-one was ever swept into power who hadn’t first spent years preparing the ground and building the organisation needed to take advantage of the crisis)
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The System knows, probably better than we do, our growing potential. That’s why we’ve had to face the failed CEHR attempt to destroy us, endless financial pressure, the artificial promotion of the UKIP and blatantly Zionist-backed EDL electoral and street safety valves, frantic attempts to use undercover police officers and other ‘internal’ opposition to demoralise and divide and keep us too busy with rubbish to move forward, and the use of ‘far-left’ organised by other undercover police spies to intimidate people who would otherwise help us and try to push us into sterile confrontation with cranks.
PlaidDragon
We don't need money to have a good time
That's the solution isn't it, make baseless accusations about what a Labour government would or would not be doing to justify being on your knees sucking the collective cocks of the Lib Dems and Tories.
Pathetic. Although I'm sure there's some way you can relate this post to Saddam and the Iraq war as a rebuttal
Proves nothing about the Greens and everything about the fact that Labour can't be challenged from a left perspective (if you can consider the Greens to be left wing; personally I don't, but that's how they present themselves, which is what counts.) This is why the only alternative to the neo-liberal coalition is neo-liberalism administered by Labour.
Shit creek no paddle.
PlaidDragon said:
Nutshell summary of taffboy's 'response' to this by-election really.
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