butchersapron
Bring back hanging
Or from tory to lib-dem and lib-dem to labour.
Labour win Oldham East by-election by 3,000 votes on on 48% turn out
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Streathamite
ideological dogmatist
If you mean woolas, that's what he hasn't done; he's out for at least this parliament, and he's damaged goods, so he'll find it bloody hard to get selected for another winnable seat.
No-one has, as yet, nailed the fragrant Ms Abrahams for telling those sort of fibs.
Streathamite
ideological dogmatist
far more likely, the students all to Labour and the affluent of Saddleworth tlo the lib dems
taffboy gwyrdd
Embrace the confusion!
I am referring to Oldham Labour Party. Their decision was to stir race hate was collective. The new MP may have knacker all to do with Oldham, that's their lookout. But much of her work and PR will be undertaken by these vermin. Still, they voted for it (or 40 something % of registered voters did). I hope none of them are among those who whinge about lies in politics. They have given lies a free pass and it is very damaging.
Louis MacNeice
Autumn Journalist
Do you really think Woolas and co. consulted the local party about the leaflets?
Louis MacNeice
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That arrogant, opportunist little shit consulted no one but himself.
To add: Very likely.
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
If i remember right the trial showed it was him, his agent and one other person who cooked it up. There's around 180 party members in that CLP.
Streathamite
ideological dogmatist
Actually, woolas was a cliquey sort, and usually ignored Oldham CLP. It's likely they didn't know about the leaflets in question until it was too late.
Also, the way that CLPs work may not be what you think. I was a LP community activist for 15 years, and CLPs can be adhoc affairs, even at GE time. You don't sit around endlessly discussing details in leaflets - you just get it done (my experience, anyway). at the most, he'll have had a publicity working group, and as BA said, him, his agent and A N other are the only ones who look culpable
belboid
Exasperated, not angry.
180??!! Fucking hell, that's nothing. They used to have that many in single wards for which they weren't even councillors.
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
The other Oldham seat has 200+ So that's around 400 across the city.
ymu
Niall Ferguson's deep-cover sock-puppet
Gutting, isn't it.not the total wipeout i was hoping for. where did it all go wrong?
Not unexpected though. Apart from their core actually-believe-in-the-party types, Lib Dem voters in Oldham were Tories voting Lib Dem to keep Labour out. They won't have lost as much of their May 2010 vote in constituencies like this as they have nationally (on average), and those voters they did lose to Labour were easily replaced by more Tories voting tactically to keep Labour out.
There were reports of some more rabid Tory types voting Labour to keep the Lib Dems out. The same effect will have helped UKIP to keep their deposit.
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The BNP's vote of 4.6% represents a drop of 1.2% since the general election last May, when Alwyn Stott took 2,546 votes. In 2001 the BNP won 11.2% with 5,091 votes. The BNP's vote fell to 2,109 (4.9%) in 2005.
Fedayn
Well-Known Member
Yes I know that, but I was wondering if any analysis as opposed to stats. I was over on Stormfront the other day when 'The Provands Lordship' ie Steven Cartwright put his then 'diary' about an election in Oldham onli the site..... That the vote in Oldham has gone down is interesting. My curiosity and question was regarding the why's and wherefores ie the lack of any serious branch thre, failures of the BNP elsewhrer, griffins leadership etc etc?
Streathamite
ideological dogmatist
yup, membership's been going through the floor for the past decade
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
Fighting each other in may the tories and lib-dems together got 58% of the vote. Practically fighting together they managed 44%.
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In the latest Searchlight there's an in depth article on Oldham and the BNP. It was major target for them in 2002.
Searchlight claims it infiltrated three people into the Oldham branch, to gather as much information as possible. One of the main aims was to identify the key activists. Evidence was given to the local media about "local hooligans" being regular BNP activists. Most importantly, was the criminal background of Robert Bennett, which Searchlight claimed to have "uncovered".
After some "intensive research", it was found out that Bennett had two convictions for armed robbery and also "uncovered" was the fact that Bennett "...had served a five year sentence for his part in the rape of two 17 year old women back in 1976."
Three weeks before polling day the information was released. The Sunday Mirror ran a story and thousands of leaflets were delivered. "Gang Rapist Leads the BNP" ran the headline on the leaflet. This of course had a major impact on both the electorate and Oldham BNP. Idiotically, the BNP rather than holding up their hands and claiming ignorance of the fact and apologising to voters they responded by saying that Bennett was a Searchlight/Labour party plant!
This was then countered by another leaflet repeating the Bennett story and accusing the BNP of trying to cover it up. When the local paper, who up until then had been neutral, picked up the story. Then came more idiocy from the BNP, who then posted an article on the BNP website attacking the editor! Of course Searchlight dutifully informed the editor of this. The BNP pushed him off the fence.
Two weeks later, on the eve of the election, a front page editorial called on its readers to shun the BNP at the polls. Game over. They failed to win any seats and before long the local branch was in decline. Today it struggles to find candidates.
The gang rape story stopped the BNP dead in its tracks and according to Searchlight, "...created lasting enemies in the town". Well it would wouldn't it. The BNP has never fully recovered from that.
belboid
Exasperated, not angry.
was Bennet a parliamentary candiadateYou can't be an MP is you have serious criminal convictions (anything over a year custodial).
yes you can, you just can't stand whilst you are serving such a custodial
Bakunin
I am Noodle's bitch.
Does he still have his almost Littlejohnesque obsession with gay sex? I recall him being cut off during a Radio 5 debate on gay issues after repeatedly, loudly (and really quite scarily) using the word 'buggery' as though it was a perfectly normal thing to say on national radio.
*Tries desperately not to imagine Norman 'Buggery' Tebbit and Richard 'I'm not gay but I still seem suspiciously curious' Littlejohn doing the squelchy in the steam room of a dimly lit sauna while Anne Widdecombe lapdances about in stilettoes and a thong while smearing Marmite all over herself and Mark Oaten repeatedly shits his pants with excitement*
killerb said:
That was my iniital reaction too kb, but actually I think Labour's fairly modest majority was all about lower turnout. On a normal (GE) turnout they'd probably have been streets ahead of the Lib Dems.
And also, what butchers said here is important (and true I reckon) :
butchersapron said:
And earlier in the thread :
taffboy's lunatic perspective summed up in a nutshell
taffboy gwyrdd said:
ernestolynch said:
taffboy's lunatic perspective summed up in a nutshell
taffboy gwyrdd
Embrace the confusion!
O lynch:
"What's the green TORY on about race hate?"
your basis for calling me a tory is? A statement from the Ministry of Something You Just Made Up perhaps.
Goldencitrone
"Did you want the libdems to win?"
In the same way as people who were against the Iraq war loved Saddam. A bollox made up way
"cunt"
Obviously move in for the mysognist insult before giving someone a chance to answer a vapid allegation. This is the internet after all
I get the distinct impression that if the Conservative Party had been recently exposed as stirring race hate the reactions here would be a great deal more frothing (not withstanding the slating Woolas did receive) The decision was made by a few people but the whole Oldham LP went along for the ride. Once your tribe has got away with war crime perhaps a little race hate is no big deal.
So what do we have: some strawmen builders calling people "cunt" and "tory" for criticising race-hate mongers and people who are soft on them. What a lot of phoney posturing shit.
"What's the green TORY on about race hate?"
your basis for calling me a tory is? A statement from the Ministry of Something You Just Made Up perhaps.
Goldencitrone
"Did you want the libdems to win?"
In the same way as people who were against the Iraq war loved Saddam. A bollox made up way
"cunt"
Obviously move in for the mysognist insult before giving someone a chance to answer a vapid allegation. This is the internet after all
I get the distinct impression that if the Conservative Party had been recently exposed as stirring race hate the reactions here would be a great deal more frothing (not withstanding the slating Woolas did receive) The decision was made by a few people but the whole Oldham LP went along for the ride. Once your tribe has got away with war crime perhaps a little race hate is no big deal.
So what do we have: some strawmen builders calling people "cunt" and "tory" for criticising race-hate mongers and people who are soft on them. What a lot of phoney posturing shit.
Proper Tidy
Arsed
You are a ConDem cunt though
>>taffboy
And you're being ultra-soft on the Lib Dems.
Answer goldencitrone's question -- would you rather they'd won?
If so, by extention, that makes you soft on the the Tories.
I doubt Debbie Abrahams will be any great shakes as MP , but there's zero evidence that she has anything to do with 'race hate'.
Woolas's conduct was despicable, as few here would disagree, I certainly wouldn't. But as butchersparon explained earlier, his out of orderness was pretty much about him and his agent and (apparantly) one other.
I'm no great fan of mainstream Labour, being well to the left of them myself, but I'd far rather their candidate won (now that they seem? to have cleaned themselves up locally) than that the LibDemTories won.
If you'd rather a 'Coalition' candidate won, that makes you a Tory, or at least an apologist for them.
Arsehole.
And you're being ultra-soft on the Lib Dems.
Answer goldencitrone's question -- would you rather they'd won?
If so, by extention, that makes you soft on the the Tories.
I doubt Debbie Abrahams will be any great shakes as MP , but there's zero evidence that she has anything to do with 'race hate'.
Woolas's conduct was despicable, as few here would disagree, I certainly wouldn't. But as butchersparon explained earlier, his out of orderness was pretty much about him and his agent and (apparantly) one other.
I'm no great fan of mainstream Labour, being well to the left of them myself, but I'd far rather their candidate won (now that they seem? to have cleaned themselves up locally) than that the LibDemTories won.
If you'd rather a 'Coalition' candidate won, that makes you a Tory, or at least an apologist for them.
Arsehole.
Green slime.
The39thStep
Urban critical thinker
Cartwrights diary relates to their heyday when Treacey et al were active in Rotherham. The Oldham branch has suffrede expulsions, splits and Griffin putting his grip on it. Adams virtually runs that and the other GM branches and units.
The39thStep
Urban critical thinker
Thats the world according to Searchlight.A world which very often doesn'r resembel planet earth. In reality it was the demise of Mick Treacey and others that fucked the branch up and then the targeting of the BNP central team of other branches and into getting Griffin elected as MEP
Streathamite
ideological dogmatist
oh ffs! Hello, HELLO, Taffboy, anyone home? Woolas and about 2/3 other people stirred the race hate. he kept his own CLP almost entirely in the dark. The new MP was not party to this in any way. For the umpteenth time; the right people have been appropriately punished. Time to move on.
sheesh, you really are hard work
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