Keith Moon Exposed As Crap Shocker

[Kaka Tim]

^ top stuff.

Have you seen this?


Link to 'Amazing Journey' excellent documentory on the Who.

 

[audiotech]

No I haven't. Cheers.

 

[editor]

^ top stuff.

Have you seen this?


Link to 'Amazing Journey' excellent documentory on the Who.

Embedded for y'all:

 

[audiotech]

That is one hell of an enjoyable documentary.

 

[editor]

That is one hell of an enjoyable documentary.

I'm working my way through part 4 now. Moon's early High Numbers drumming is incredibly powerful.

 

[audiotech]

I never knew that Roger Daltrey was lead guitarist in The Detours. He looks back with some fondness to the early days, whilst Townsend clearly hated that time. It's also clear that Keith Moon was crucial to what The Who became musically and makes a mockery of the title of this thread.

 

[editor]

I never knew that Roger Daltrey was lead guitarist in The Detours. He looks back with some fondness to the early days, whilst Townsend clearly hated that time. It's also clear that Keith Moon was crucial to what The Who became musically and makes a mockery of the title of this thread.

I love the way the beginning of the band is described with Keith Moon getting bored with the slowness of the blues covers they were playing so he just doubled the beat - and the band followed and hence the Who was born.

 

[audiotech]

'Gingerbread man'.

 

[teqniq]

Thanks for those vids.

 

[Kaka Tim]

That is one hell of an enjoyable documentary.

Tis good isn't it? Helped by Townshend and Daltrey being very candid about the whole thing.

 

[mr_skeleton]

Hello all.

While Phil's title for this thread was perhaps ill advised, the two examples he posted are shockingly bad. The drum solo is absolutely diabolical - and Editor you did imply that the poor recording made it seem worse than it is... it's just a shit performance, it's out of time and there aren't really any patterns in it, it's mostly just random bollocks.

SpookyFranks' youtube link does show what I'd consider good drumming though! I'm not really that familiar with the Who and at first didn't realise it was Keith Moon - I thought he was trying to compound Phil's argument rather than contradict it. I was surprised it was the same drummer!

So I'd be inclined to agree with Kaka Tim - that drugs and booze really did affect his ability in his later years.

beesonthewhatnow - while you're kind of right that it doesn't matter what individual parts sound like in isolation, this isn'y really true of drums with the exception of the actual balance and tones the the track. As drums are the foundation, and not an accompanying instrument, it really helps if the placement is precise within the patterns - I'm not saying it can't speed up and slow down throughout the song, or that the drummer can't drag the snare, or push the kicks to enhance the feel - that's 'pocket' after all - but that youtube vid phil linked in the first post shows Moon's timing of hits to be very sloppy - lazy kicks, early kicks - it's totally inconsistent and I know it would be much better if it was less sloppy.

I'd like to add that I'm not into soulless over produced and polished perfrmances and recordings, and I do know a bit about the process as I have produced 3 records that have gone gold, and toured extensively as a (quite shit) drummer! I'm not going to embarrass the people I've worked for by linking them to a shitty debate about Keith Moon in a forum online, and franky I couldn't give a shit if people don't believe me. I have also analysed and collected drum tracks and breaks since the mid nineties so would like to think I know a little bit about it.

I would like to point out I am in no way affiliated with Phil! I just thought it was a bit off about 50 people ganging up on one person, when his initial post actually ended with a question asking if others agreed. The way everyone has reacted like ' you can't take moons name in vain!! sacrilege!! ' just because they're Who fans. It's pathetic!!

Some of the arguments and posts 'against' what Phil said are so ill informed that it's laughable - if you don't know which ones then they are most likely yours. MASS DICKHEADNESS

MOON WAS OVERRATED

HE WAS A SHOW-OFF DRUMMER

THAT DRUM SOLO WITH THE GOLDFISH IN THE TOM IS COMPLETELY LACKING IN SOUL AND FEELING YOU WHITE PIGS

sure he was a 'pioneer' of two bass drums, but I bet he did that mostly because of the way it looks anyways...

shame on all of you that just piled in with your ignorant views on Phil when he was already outnumbered - it's basically bullying.

Sx

 

[editor]

shame on all of you that just piled in with your ignorant views on Phil when he was already outnumbered - it's basically bullying.

Double bass drum LOL.

 

[bluestreak]

YOU WHITE PIGS
Sx

it's the kiss that makes it ok, no offence taken. fucking ethnic swine, x

 

[Johnny Canuck3]

Keith Moon was often considered a great rock drummer, maybe even the best. But why? I suspect it was all down to his "colorful" (read drunken) personality, and the fact that on the Who recordings he is so deep in the mix as to be practically inaudible.

But modern technology means that he can hide no longer. Listen to his isolated drum tracks on YouTube. They are crap! I can play better than this:



And this is literally the worst drum solo I've ever heard. The goldfish could have done better:



Was he the most over-rated musician of all time?

I wonder how Ringo would sound if you isolated him out?

 

[rorymac]

I've only just watched those clips and although I sided in with phil on this thread cos he's my mate I never had much of an opinion on The Who for one reason or another. I reckon the above two clips are very good displays of drumming though.
I fancy Pete looked brilliant the way he jumped about and did the swirly arm thing but he went out of tune too often, his solos were a bit naff and Roger Daltrey wore his slacks a bit too high above his platforms, and the bass player was too fiddly !!
lol

 

[editor]

I wonder how Ringo would sound if you isolated him out?

Ringo was a great drummer. He played exactly what the songs needed.

 

[ViolentPanda]

I wonder how Ringo would sound if you isolated him out?

I'm pretty sure that Andy Kershaw (British DJ) did that once on one of his broadcasts; dropped out the vocals, guitars and bass from a Beatles number, and what was left was a straightforward no-frills drum track. Certainly put paid to the arguments that Ringo had no timing to speak of, because the timing was solid.

 

[rorymac]

That's the most important thing drumming wise in rock music at least .. forgetting all the frills but to keep a solid tempo. If you're going to speed up or slow down it has to be in the right places which Keith Moon seems to have done from only just having listened to the above stuff tbh. Sounds to me like a better drummer might not have suited the band as well as Keith Moon did .. probably something any Who fan might respond with 'obviously you clown' and rightly so tbf !! lol

 

[longdog]

I've skipped the thread but in defence of Kieth Moon have you ever listened to John Entwistle in isolation? It's shit, technically brilliant shit admittedly when heard on its own but shit none the less. The point is wasn't meant to be listened to in isolation and he remains one of the best bassists in the history of everything.

Give this a look and I challenge anybody to sit through more than 4 minutes.

 

[editor]

Judging what counts as "good drumming" has got fuck all to do with analysing the performance stripped of the accompanying music and trying to serve up a critique of the technical ability.

Good drumming is all about playing what is perfect for the music, the song and the band - and adding performance. And that's what Moon delivered in spades.

 

[Kaka Tim]

The Who doing 'Anyway Anyhow Anywhere' live in 1965 - about as good a demonstration of just how revolutionary and incendiary moons drumming was and just how much it was integral to The Who.

(Not as good as Dwyer though - obviously.)

He has a on stage spat with Daltrey half way though as well!

 

[SpookyFrank]

I've skipped the thread but in defence of Kieth Moon have you ever listened to John Entwistle in isolation? It's shit, technically brilliant shit admittedly when heard on its own but shit none the less. The point is wasn't meant to be listened to in isolation and he remains one of the best bassists in the history of everything.

Give this a look and I challenge anybody to sit through more than 4 minutes.

The fact that he sounds rubbish when you can't hear the rest of the band around him just shows how great he was IMO.

 

[phildwyer]

I would like to point out I am in no way affiliated with Phil! I just thought it was a bit off about 50 people ganging up on one person, when his initial post actually ended with a question asking if others agreed. The way everyone has reacted like ' you can't take moons name in vain!! sacrilege!! ' just because they're Who fans. It's pathetic!!

Some of the arguments and posts 'against' what Phil said are so ill informed that it's laughable - if you don't know which ones then they are most likely yours. MASS DICKHEADNESS

You make some excellent poınts.

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As you say, such reactıons pay no attentıon to the facts and are best regarded as emotıonal rather than ratıonal ın nature.

 

[ATOMIC SUPLEX]

H
shame on all of you that just piled in with your ignorant views on Phil when he was already outnumbered - it's basically bullying.

Sx

Ow, my sides.
Poor old helpless Phil.

 

[editor]

THAT DRUM SOLO WITH THE GOLDFISH IN THE TOM IS COMPLETELY LACKING IN SOUL AND FEELING YOU WHITE PIGS

Requoted for the LOLZ.

 

[phildwyer]

Regrettable epıthets asıde, ıt ıs absolutely true that Moon ıs an extremely whıte-soundıng drummer.

 

[ATOMIC SUPLEX]

Oh my lord, its a troll a thon.

 

[spawnofsatan]

Whitey is keeping me down

 

[editor]

Regrettable epıthets asıde, ıt ıs absolutely true that Moon ıs an extremely whıte-soundıng drummer.

The gift of buffoonery that keeps on giving.

 

[Kaka Tim]

Oh please, please phil - define 'White sounding' drums.