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I agree with you - nobody is accused of being anti-Taoist for criticising China's actions against the Uighur Muslims. But, as rekil points out above, if it's only Israel that is getting mentioned in this context, perhaps you have to wonder why that is. Seems you can be right and wrong on this topic simultaneously. :(
Do the US police force train in China? Do Chinese Military/Police orgs have training orgs in the US?
 
Oh really? So nothing to do with the widespread use of Israeli/IDF training orgs/exchanges by the US police service? Just 'loons' making it up. Right-O.

Why bring up the fact that Israel have trained US police if you're trying to make a point about racism being global?
 
Do the US police force train in China? Do Chinese Military/Police orgs have training orgs in the US?
Given the relations between the US and China, I'm going to guess not. But, if US police forces have the budget to travel abroad for law enforcement seminars and training, it seems unlikely that the sole place they would go for that is Israel, no?
 
The other aspect of this for me that is missing from the discussion is that we have the worst Secretary of State for Education in my 40 years as an education professional, he is absolutely clueless; this was/is a great opportunity for the LP to show clear leadership in this area, but where was RLB when it mattered? I do not think she has a grasp of the position and KS was also a tad pissed off when BJ got the better of him re the safe opening of schools at PMQs last week... what briefing did he get? So add this to the tweet fiasco and the sacking is no surprise. It will be interesting to see who the replacement is.
 
The other aspect of this for me that is missing from the discussion is that we have the worst Secretary of State for Education in my 40 years as an education professional, he is absolutely clueless; this was/is a great opportunity for the LP to show clear leadership in this area, but where was RLB when it mattered? I do not think she has a grasp of the position and KS was also a tad pissed off when BJ got the better of him re the safe opening of schools at PMQs last week... what briefing did he get? So add this to the tweet fiasco and the sacking is no surprise. It will be interesting to see who the replacement is.

She did a great job trying to keep schools shut apparently:

 
She did a great job trying to keep schools shut apparently:




Given Covid presents a great opportunity al la 44/65 (eduction acts) to look afresh at education, IMHO she was not up to it - I do wonder why she took on the role in the first place?
 
I agree with you - nobody is accused of being anti-Taoist for criticising China's actions against the Uighur Muslims. But, as rekil points out above, if it's only Israel that is getting mentioned in this context, perhaps you have to wonder why that is. Seems you can be right and wrong on this topic simultaneously. :(
Daoism is not the majority religion of China nor the religion of the atheist Chinese state (there are probably more Jews in China than genuine Daoists, there are definitely more Muslims and Christians). The nationalist government of China regularly labels people anti Chinese for opposing their actions in Xinjiang and Tibet and often implies that this is due to racism.
 
But on the face of it it's difficult to explain or justify Peake's singling out of Israel in all this, especially if she was actually trying to make a wider point about global racism and policing.
Do you know how examples work?
 
Do you know how examples work?

What has the sharing of police restraint techniques got to do with global racism? It's really a strange thing to bring up unless you are implying the Israeli police were teaching the US police how to be racist or how to apply those techniques to black people.
 
What has the sharing of police restraint techniques got to do with global racism? It's really a strange thing to bring up unless you are implying the Israeli police were teaching the US police how to be racist or how to apply those techniques to black people.
You do like to repeat things that have already been done half a dozen times, don’t you? And you picked a really silly example to get fussy in too because if you cant see why talking about police is handy when talking about, uhh, police racism, then you need to hit yourself with a truncheon a few times till it sinks in.
 
Given Covid presents a great opportunity al la 44/65 (eduction acts) to look afresh at education, IMHO she was not up to it - I do wonder why she took on the role in the first place?

Do you work in a school? Have you read what the NEU have said about RLB?

Give me some specific examples of her failings in the role she’s been in for 2 months that have led you to your conclusion.
 
And you picked a really silly example to get fussy in too because if you cant see why talking about police is handy when talking about, uhh, police racism, then you need to hit yourself with a truncheon a few times till it sinks in.

She wasn't talking about police racism though, she was talking about ‘no war but the class war’ stuff. I think it was a clumsy attempt to try and link capitalist globalisation to the death of Floyd based on something she read on a website.
 
How exactly is criticising Israel anti-semitism? Or racism? I genuinely have never got that. Personally I’ve criticised Israel for their policies since I was a youngun. The state, not the predominant religion. And I’m definitely not an anti Semite or a racist. It’s mental. Yes the actress may have got it wrong but even if she was correct I don’t see how that’s anti semitism. If I criticise Iran am i islamophobic?
 
She wasn't talking about police racism though, she was talking about ‘no war but the class war’ stuff. I think it was a clumsy attempt to try and link capitalist globalisation to the death of Floyd based on something she read on a website.
No she wasn’t you ludicrously inconsistent buffoon.
 
As others have said the most likely place for the police involved to have been encouraged to use this "neck restraint" is via David Grossman. Although not a particularly rare phrase that could probably be thought of even by the average copper "if you can talk you can breathe" is straight out of one of his lectures.

Amnesty USA has documented US police training in Israel by military, the police and intelligence services. They no doubt have similar relations elsewhere but if they are being taught and wanting to learn the methods used to enforce an occupation that is an issue. More of a case of we're a bunch of racist, violent arseholes lets get better at that than being made racist violent arseholes.
 
It’s in her previous sentence you moron.

Nope, she wasn’t talking about police racism in the sentence before mentioning the Israeli secret services.

“I don’t know how we escape that cycle that’s indoctrinated into us all,” continues the 45-year-old. “Well, we get rid of it when we get rid of capitalism as far as I’m concerned. That’s what it’s all about. The establishment has got to go. We’ve got to change it.” Born in Bolton to a lorry driver father and care worker mother, Peake is strident and expressive; if religion wasn’t anathema to her, she’d be perfect in the pulpit. “Systemic racism is a global issue,” she adds. “The tactics used by the police in America, kneeling on George Floyd’s neck, that was learnt from seminars with Israeli secret services.”
 
The other aspect of this for me that is missing from the discussion is that we have the worst Secretary of State for Education in my 40 years as an education professional, he is absolutely clueless; this was/is a great opportunity for the LP to show clear leadership in this area, but where was RLB when it mattered?
Exactly where she should have been - backing workers. There are many very fair criticisms of RLB but her actions as Shadow Education Minister are not one of them. At the time she was getting fired she was gearing up to speak at a mass rally of tertiary education workers.
 
Nope, she wasn’t talking about police racism in the sentence before mentioning the Israeli secret services.

“I don’t know how we escape that cycle that’s indoctrinated into us all,” continues the 45-year-old. “Well, we get rid of it when we get rid of capitalism as far as I’m concerned. That’s what it’s all about. The establishment has got to go. We’ve got to change it.” Born in Bolton to a lorry driver father and care worker mother, Peake is strident and expressive; if religion wasn’t anathema to her, she’d be perfect in the pulpit. “Systemic racism is a global issue,” she adds. “The tactics used by the police in America, kneeling on George Floyd’s neck, that was learnt from seminars with Israeli secret services.”
Sorry, of course systemic racism has nothing to do with the police and worldwide doesn’t imply they support each other. You’re a bigger brain than Dominic Cummings.
 
Sorry, of course systemic racism has nothing to do with the police and worldwide doesn’t imply they support each other.

That’s the start of the same sentence in which she mentions Israeli secret services. She certainly didn’t talk about Israel in the context of a discussion of police racism did she? Rather it was more like what I said previously - she was talking about ‘no war but the class war’ stuff and it was a clumsy attempt to try and link capitalist globalisation to the death of Floyd based on something she read on a website.
 
Do you know how examples work?
I know that when a person picks one particular example out of many (I don't know exactly how many in this case, which was why I said it might be interesting to know) they could have chosen, the example they pick often tells us something about that person in addition to the point they think they're making.

And Peake doesn't appear to have said this is just one example of who the US police train with, she made a far more specific accusation than that.
 
this performance of missing the point is fucking embarrassing belboid. Peake fucked up, RLB fucked up, you need to suck it up.
 
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