steveseagull
Well-Known Member
This bit as well
Keir Starmer's time is up
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steveseagull
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Big Mick is correct. There will never be unity with devisive figures like Starmer and his thugs in charge
ruffneck23
front left
Part 2 for anyone who is interested.
Karl Masks
Birds Angel Delight
This second film about antisemitism is quite upsetting.
It's going to take a herculean effort for the labour party to redeem itself, and they don't want to.
However, I don't want to embolden cranks like Asa Winstanley, Max Blumenthal, Jimmy Dore, Chris Williamson
It's going to take a herculean effort for the labour party to redeem itself, and they don't want to.
However, I don't want to embolden cranks like Asa Winstanley, Max Blumenthal, Jimmy Dore, Chris Williamson
Karl Masks
Birds Angel Delight
Not just Starmer though, he's just the mouthpiece
Kevbad the Bad
Amiable Bowel Syndrome
I hear there has been a massive increase in the sale of puke buckets in the Liverpool area.
Karl Masks
Birds Angel Delight
God Shave The Queen
The39thStep
Urban critical thinker
Rob Ray
Weight is meaningless
Difficult to tell how many people are looking uncomfortable singing it because they're being forced to participate in a piece of reactionary fan service for disaffected Tories, and who's just wearing the universal uncomfortable face brought on by having to sing a janky, poorly-paced dirge with obviously silly lyrics.
Karl Masks
Birds Angel Delight
could have used a bigger font
The39thStep
Urban critical thinker
I can see the point of Starmer saying something about the Queen's death in opening the conference tbh but don't really see where a stage managed singing of the National Anthem gets them
ska invita
back on the other side
has the effect of schooling LP conference - as much about internal ideology as the wider audience
JimW
支那暗杀团
And even fewer would know the words to that.
Puddy_Tat
naturally fluffy
more positioning as an alternative conservative party in the hope of picking up a few more floating voters
The39thStep
Urban critical thinker
Should bring this back , although some of the policies are a bit too left wing for the present leadership.
Jeff Robinson
Marxist-Lentilist: Jackboots and Jackfruit
Calamity1971
If Mr Peanut says It's okay, then it is.
SpookyFrank
A cheap source of teeth for aquarium gravel
Labour is increasingly acting like a cargo cult, just doing random pantomime nonsense in the hopes that the tabloid gods will be appeased and send them a few votes.
ska invita
back on the other side
its working tbf
SysOut
¯¯¯
It started with New Labour.
It gets even more sad when one reads that twitter thread, with people showing photos of Kinnock and Brown as if that were "traditional" Labour - which it, of course, precisely isn't.
One of the characteristics of New Labour is nationalism, following in the footsteps of Thatcher.
The other point not being mentioned is of course the chauvinism and nationalism of Brexit, which Labour supported, meaning that the only english party representing the pro-EU voters - arguably now more than 50pc of voters - is the LibDem party.
Other points not being considered, though raised by Pickman's model is our relationship with the USA and its plans for Europe as a whole, of which, whether some like it or not, we are a part.
Things aren't going to quiet down and improve in our continent.
What's Starmers position or role on these matters?
We assume he's an atlanticist - anything else would be heresy in a NATO land non plus ultra such as the UK.
I was thinking after the last few weeks that cargo cults seem pretty sane & rational next to the typical british subject tbf
SysOut
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Puddy_Tat
naturally fluffy
whatever the most recent focus group said it should be...
dunno really
2017 labour said it would 'respect the result of the referendum', and got a swing big enough to bugger the tories' majority, and the lib dems didn't exactly do well.
2019 labour got in a tangle because starmer (among others) was insisting on being more remainy. and that didn't go well either.
i'm really not sure about the flag shagging thing, and not sure the labour party can 'win' this argument whatever it does here.
it's a favourite argument of the right wing and their friends in the press (not limited to this country) that the left (or less right) party 'is unpatriotic' / 'hates this country' if it criticises the establishment / status quo, or is less shitty about immigration, which is of course bollocks.
one alternative is labour MP's sneering at pictures of houses with 'union jack' / st george's cross flags and a white van outside...
does any form of patriotism have to extend to xenophobia / racism just because the right wing version of it does?
there is an argument (i'm not quite sure it's entirely sound) that labour / the left shouldn't abandon the union jack' to the far-right...
(none of the above implies support of starmer, i still think he's a waste of a suit)
locomotive
come on baby, do the locomotion
I go for weeks at a time without thinking about Kier Starmer or the Labour Party.
Which is damning for an opposition party.
Which is damning for an opposition party.
Idaho
blah blah blah
Ms Idaho stumbled across him doing something at a local park. She heckled him and the minions ushered her to one side with the promise she could put her comments direct to the great man, which she later did. Her verdict on him was that he was surprisingly or unsurprisingly uncharismatic and unconvincing in real life. "Like that robot character on red dwarf".
belboid
Exasperated, not angry.
Labour was nationalist long before new Labour shite. Do you remember why the second international fell apart?
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