Keir Starmer's time is up

[steveseagull]

Proper journalism from Al Jazeera. It was exceedingly fucking grim :-(

Wonder how they got all this stuff. It seems to be troves of dirt. Reckon someone on the inside has blown the whistle.

 

[Artaxerxes]

some great sessions coming up at the Labour Party Conference!

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“Why don’t the poor just hustle more?”

 

[Jeff Robinson]

Good news if true, the barbaric HoL shithole needs to be bulldozed as soon as possible

Labour may abolish House of Lords if it wins next election, leaked report reveals

Exclusive: Constitutional review by Gordon Brown also recommends devolving economic powers

www.theguardian.com

 

[two sheds]

although it's seemed the only brake on tory legislation recently

 

[elbows]

although it's seemed the only brake on tory legislation recently

Its not that much of a break, it can only slow stuff down for a year. Not that I am a constitutional expert by any stretch so who knows what detail I've botched with this view.

 

[two sheds]

no I think you're right - only delays stuff

 

[belboid]

Grrr. Our reselection meeting was tonight, having been postponed after an old woman died. One bloody vote away, one single sodding vote. And one of the lefties told me after he'd misunderstood the process and should have voted with us. Hey ho, looks like I wont be voting Labour at the next election.

 

[Karl Masks]

Good news if true, the barbaric HoL shithole needs to be bulldozed as soon as possible

Labour may abolish House of Lords if it wins next election, leaked report reveals

Exclusive: Constitutional review by Gordon Brown also recommends devolving economic powers

www.theguardian.com

Big if, very big given SIR Keith is in charge

 

[ska invita]

personally house of lords is at the bottom of the list of pressing concerns - imo largely ineffective and occasionally even exerting some positive pressure, despite its undemocratic nature
a side show issue

 

[Plumdaff]

personally house of lords is at the bottom of the list of pressing concerns - imo largely ineffective and occasionally even exerting some positive pressure, despite its undemocratic nature
a side show issue

It would be very popular with centrists

 

[Jeff Robinson]

personally house of lords is at the bottom of the list of pressing concerns - imo largely ineffective and occasionally even exerting some positive pressure, despite its undemocratic nature
a side show issue

Disagree on this. The nutters, cronies and cranks with rights to vote on and introduce legislation that are being stuffed in there - the likes of Baroness Fox and Lord Moylon for example - should be a concern for us all. It’s a feudal vestige that belongs in the garbage dump with the monarchy.

 

[teqniq]

Labour right determined to exclude her:

Labour NEC member suspended for speaking at proscribed group’s event – LabourList

A newly elected member of Labour's national executive committee (NEC) has revealed that she has received a 'notice of allegation and administrative suspension' for appearing…

labourlist.org

 

[steveseagull]

Full episode of last night's documentary here. Warning. It is grim.

 

[ska invita]

Disagree on this. The nutters, cronies and cranks with rights to vote on and introduce legislation that are being stuffed in there - the likes of Baroness Fox and Lord Moylon for example - should be a concern for us all. It’s a feudal vestige that belongs in the garbage dump with the monarchy.

sure but when its gone let me know if you see any difference in the material conditions in this country
meanwhile everything else is on fire - its not a priority - a distraction even
just feels like a sop from Starmer to appear to be doing something radical - if it ever happens that is: its conference season and that means meaningless hot air on full blast

 

[SysOut]

Has anyone calculated the wealth of the lords?

 

[ruffneck23]

Full episode of last night's documentary here. Warning. It is grim.

Doh, I only saw the first 30 mins last night and thought it was a bit short..

Catching up now.

 

[steveseagull]

Doh, I only saw the first 30 mins last night and thought it was a bit short..

Catching up now.

Yes it was a bit confusing. They went onto some news pieces without really explaining there was a second half afterwards

 

[Karl Masks]

Doh, I only saw the first 30 mins last night and thought it was a bit short..

Catching up now.

Is it as grim as how they have treated a survivor of domestic abuse, perpetrated by one of their own (iirc, don't sue me Sir Keith! PS you're a twat)

 

[Bingoman]

After the mini budget it has forecast that starmer and Labour are on course to win the next Election

 

[steveseagull]

After the mini budget it has forecast that starmer and Labour are on course to win the next Election

Wonderful. The Tories or the Stasi

 

[SpookyFrank]

Full episode of last night's documentary here. Warning. It is grim.

Wow, that Arrgh is a real piece of shit.

 

[Karl Masks]

Doh, I only saw the first 30 mins last night and thought it was a bit short..

Catching up now.

This is just part 1! How deep does this shit go?

(I don't think I want to know)

 

[ska invita]

Is there anything new in this Al JAzeera piece?

 

[SpookyFrank]

Is there anything new in this Al JAzeera piece?

A lot of it is new to me, in terms of the detail at any rate. None of it is surprising though.

The suspension of CLPs by party wonks is obviously a huge problem regardless of the details of why or how it happens. That's only accelerated since the time covered in this doc IIRC.

 

[ska invita]

A lot of it is new to me. None of it surprising though.

Can someone give a brief oversight?

 

[SpookyFrank]

Can someone give a brief oversight?

Lots of stuff about individual members and whole local parties being kiboshed due to spurious or probably false accusations from a handful of highly partisan right wingers, accusations which were then repeated as fact by the entire media.

The new bit is the details, and the paper trail. Luke Akehurst, for example, turns out to be a shady cunt. Who knew eh?

 

[steveseagull]

This is just part 1! How deep does this shit go?

(I don't think I want to know)

Part two (Saturday) covers the 'antisemitism' crisis
Part three (Monday) covers Labour hierarchy of racism

So yeah, it had potential to get a lot deeper

 

[steveseagull]

Lots of stuff about individual members and whole local parties being kiboshed due to spurious or probably false accusations from a handful of highly partisan right wingers, accusations which were then repeated as fact by the entire media.

The new bit is the details, and the paper trail. Luke Akehurst, for example, turns out to be a shady cunt. Who knew eh?

I have come across Luke Stanger before online. This documentary seems to suggest he is Akehurst's hired thug which explains why he was protected from the disciplinary system

 

[steveseagull]

Is there anything new in this Al JAzeera piece?

Yes. A lot of detail. Backed up by receipts. Looks like someone on the inside has handed a LOT of internal emails and documents over to AJ.

 

[Chilli.s]

They have dragged themselves down to the level of the vermin...

... so its yellow peril or mildew party