SysOut
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You're right. I was being far too kind.
Keir Starmer's time is up
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Johnny Vodka
The Abominable Scotsman
two sheds
Least noticed poster 2007
true, and they've changed recentlyTBF, who would?
Calamity1971
If Mr Peanut says It's okay, then it is.
And Rachel reeves, and.....
Jeff Robinson
Marxist-Lentilist: Jackboots and Jackfruit
Chz
Stark Raving Sane
Is his Keirness under any obligation whatsoever to go along with what the delegates vote for? I don't expect him to support all that without a fight.
Edit: It's great that Labour's polling 45% right now, but how in fuck do the Tories still have 33% support? 1 in 3 people are sitting in the flames and thinking "This is fine".
Edit: It's great that Labour's polling 45% right now, but how in fuck do the Tories still have 33% support? 1 in 3 people are sitting in the flames and thinking "This is fine".
elbows
Well-Known Member
The rail thing was reported yesterday:
Labour does back rail nationalisation, says shadow transport minister
Shadow minister Tanmanjeet Dhesi clears up where the party stands on public ownership.
www.bbc.co.uk
SysOut
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Well, they already own the land and the track.
And most other countries have an integrated railway system. Why not us?
gosub
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Cos it shows a lack of fiscal awareness for a start, and a weird set of priorites...water would be my proirity
Artaxerxes
Look out, he's got a gnu!
British government has long shown no interest in running a state beyond the protection of property rights. We’re talking centuries.
Like they just don’t think government has a purpose in protecting or support its population.
Brief blip post WW2 with some flirting with socialism but we’re back on track now.
Like they just don’t think government has a purpose in protecting or support its population.
Brief blip post WW2 with some flirting with socialism but we’re back on track now.
don't think I agree about the lack of fiscal awareness.
bearing in mind that a good few franchises are already run by DfT and the others are just being paid a management fee to run theirs without taking on any revenue risk, what's your major concern?
priorities is an interesting question.
everyone pays for water, and not everyone regularly takes trains. but those who do commute regularly by train pay a huge amount more annually than their water bill.
the failings of water companies - too much lost to leaks, too much untreated sewage released - don't affect people directly in the way that cancelled and delayed trains do. it's a bit more removed from you & in the background.
so if you want to prioritise by what people see most impact on their day to day life, trains are more visible for a big chunk of the country.
Lorca
Call in Sick Tomorrow
I'm a delivery driver, I spend my days delivering unnecessary plastic crap all round the Midlands. Even now it never ceases to amaze me how much inconspicuous wealth there is in this country, beautiful period houses with sprawling gardens in quaint villages, new build estates on the edge of towns full of young, healthy looking middle class families. It's weird for me, coming from cotteridge in Birmingham (albeit i live outside Brum now.)
It sounds ridiculously obvious I know, but it reminds me that loads of people are doing just fuckin' dandy!
I always think these are the people largely propping up the tories and they always will. Why risk losing what they got after all. But you also go to these putatively wealthy town centres in the shires now (such as say, Evesham) and you can see the unmistakable decline, and it's only getting worse. At some point surely even the wealthy won't like the shitty, overloaded infrastructure, the dirty streets, the conspicuous poverty etc.
Anyway, sorry to be Mr state the obvious , just a thought that occurred whilst sitting in my van trying to avoid working too hard!
gosub
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Have you been watching the news today? Or The other threads?
Artaxerxes
Look out, he's got a gnu!
It’s not enough for the government to do badly, the opposition needs to sell them a future worth going for.
So Keirs not the man for that. Especially not with the media sewn up firmly in the conservatives favour (mostly thanks to the oligarch owners) and the culture war in full swing.
gosub
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Which they are not doing....the markets are close to meltdown, and even b4 the PM was saying recession.....Paying for this winter's gas has already tipped UK over 100%GDP to debt, and they are saying purely by reversng the tax cut there is enough money to spend on train sets (I hear what the Unions are saying, though sorting it - that middle man they don't like...his employment is contributing to a fair few people's pensions) plus more money for nurses...again sympathetic.....but its about as economically illiterate as certain other political positions put forward
muscovyduck
Good IT skills and food hygiene competent
Labour want to renationalise the railways to avoid a head on collision with the RMT if they get into power. That's why it's trains and not water or whatever
Puddy_Tat
naturally fluffy
are any of today's announcements / conference decisions actually binding on the party leadership for the next manifesto?
starmer has already ditched most (if not all) of the policy promises he stood for election as leader on (in order to get approval from the tory press, who will just tell the voters he's ditched all of the promises he made to party members so why should the general public trust his promises to them)
starmer has already ditched most (if not all) of the policy promises he stood for election as leader on (in order to get approval from the tory press, who will just tell the voters he's ditched all of the promises he made to party members so why should the general public trust his promises to them)
Plumdaff
joy in people
It's a hell lot easier to piecemeal renationalise the railways than anything else, plus it's massively popular.
Starmer won't do it, mind.
gosub
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Fucking great.
We had no trains here ALL weekend.
If a corporation can convince the UN that water is not a basic human right, then I rather not have corporations in control of my water , fitting water meters (and whatever malarkey that might mean)..
Coz I tell you what as much as not having trains for 2 days was a pain in the arse, not having water for 2 days? no thankyou.
Was on the Grand Union a couple of years back, stopped at the waterpoint by Bull's bridge -now bring your own tap head.
Has been a rest point for gentlemen of the road for over a century.
Artaxerxes
Look out, he's got a gnu!
Renationalising isn’t going to solve things overnight sadly, it’ll take years to fix the damage even if Labour do bother to fix it.
The tracks are old, but at least managed centrally (after last time when they fell apart…) but the trains are shoddy, the staff are leaving and badly paid.
Fuck knows what they plan to do to ticket prices but I’m guessing not much.
Not sure why governments are happy to invest in roads as wealth creators but not rail, both are expensive, both require long term planning but it’s roads that get the nod. Transit is about moving people and moving people mean money happens, just not on the transit lines. It’s a force multiplier for towns and cities to enable them to grow.
The tracks are old, but at least managed centrally (after last time when they fell apart…) but the trains are shoddy, the staff are leaving and badly paid.
Fuck knows what they plan to do to ticket prices but I’m guessing not much.
Not sure why governments are happy to invest in roads as wealth creators but not rail, both are expensive, both require long term planning but it’s roads that get the nod. Transit is about moving people and moving people mean money happens, just not on the transit lines. It’s a force multiplier for towns and cities to enable them to grow.
Nationalisation always serves the interests of the capitalist class over the workers anyway, always has done.
Artaxerxes
Look out, he's got a gnu!
Best it's all privatized then
Cut another tax and magically roads and rail will build themselves.
steveseagull
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Al Jazeera seem to have fucked up and are playing part two again. They tweeted that part three will be on YouTube tomorrow and on channel tomorrow evening
SysOut
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Maybe part 3 needed more editing.
steveseagull
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There is rumour that Labour got an injunction but they can bypass it by putting it on YouTube.
SpookyFrank
A cheap source of teeth for aquarium gravel
Everyone does depend on workers who travel by train.
If you use the roads, well those are only usable because there are trains carrying lots of people who might otherwise be in private cars.
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