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[danny la rouge]

I’d also suggest that there is a correlation between high earners and intellect

For fuck sake. People still say this - and maybe even believe it - in the third decade of the 21st Century?

That’s depressing.

 

[danny la rouge]

He's clearly mentally ill if you ask me, and surrounded by opportunistic yes men.

I’m mentally ill. Lots of people are. Using that as a generalised yardstick is probably not a road you should go down, whoever you were talking about.

 

[discokermit]

kanye said he was gonna fix wolves, wolves are now playing european football. he would have my vote, over the senile rapist or the narcissistic rapist.

 

[discokermit]

I’m mentally ill. Lots of people are. Using that as a generalised yardstick is probably not a road you should go down, whoever you were talking about.

angry liberals hate the mentally ill as much as they do the 'unintelligent'.

 

[discokermit]

and i think the subtext to all those labelling someone stupid based on what? being a rapper? has got to be racism.

 

[Raheem]

and i think the subtext to all those labelling someone stupid based on what? being a rapper? has got to be racism.

Yes, definitely safer to go with 'twat'.

 

[Raheem]

Not even Kanye West would launch a campaign for president with a tweet, though. It's just a bit of attention-seeking is my guess.

 

[Edie]

Not sure that's true. Definite correlation with being an arsehole though.

And by your own logic (not mine) what do you do for a living again?

woah that’s way below the belt, nothing wrong with being a delivery driver

 

[Saul Goodman]

Success isn’t a bad measure of intelligence tbf. Probably better than IQ tests.

Nonsense.

I’d also suggest that there is a correlation between high earners and intellect

Bollocks.

 

[Edie]

Nonsense.

Bollocks.

I never said that second quote did I?

 

[ginger_syn]

I never said that second quote did I?

No you didn't, marty1 did.

 

[Treacle Toes]

woah that’s way below the belt, nothing wrong with being a delivery driver

Course there isn't.

Do you see it as successful and therefore a measure of someone's intellect though? That's the point being made I think.

 

[danny la rouge]

and i think the subtext to all those labelling someone stupid based on what? being a rapper? has got to be racism.

I’m by no means an expert on Kanye’s biography, but he’s certainly been reported as saying plenty of reactionary things in his time. “Reactionary twat” seems fair enough.

(I’ve recently noticed theories that this was some sort of ‘deep cover’ project, but I don’t give that any credibility).

“Slavery was a choice” by the enslaved. That’s not the sort of attitude I have any sympathy for. So, no, not a fan of his political ambitions.

 

[Lord Camomile]

It seems like the argument being made by both Edie and Marty1 isn't "your position in society directly reflects your intelligence" but more "rich people are usually also intelligent, but intelligent people aren't always rich".

Feel like it's also important to acknowledge, as some seem to have at least alluded to, that 'intelligence' isn't a binary or just one thing; there are many different types of intelligence, and you can be intelligent in one way but not intelligent in many others.

e2a: for what it's worth, at the risk of undermining my second point, I generally wouldn't agree with the argument that "rich people are usually also intelligent". Often they have become rich through a combination of luck and perhaps some 'playing the game', often in a way that many non-rich people wouldn't want to.

 

[Saul Goodman]

I never said that second quote did I?

No idea how that happened. I'll correct it.

 

[Edie]

It seems like the argument being made by both Edie and Marty1 isn't "your position in society directly reflects your intelligence" but more "rich people are usually also intelligent, but intelligent people aren't always rich".

Feel like it's also important to acknowledge, as some seem to have at least alluded to, that 'intelligence' isn't a binary or just one thing; there are many different types of intelligence, and you can be intelligent in one way but not intelligent in many others.

e2a: for what it's worth, at the risk of undermining my second point, I generally wouldn't agree with the argument that "rich people are usually also intelligent". Often they have become rich through a combination of luck and perhaps some 'playing the game', often in a way that many non-rich people wouldn't want to.

Just to clarify again, I’ve said success not wealth per se. Saul Goodman misquoted me. I’ve already clarified the difference once.

 

[JimW]

Low cunning would suit you better for the job anyway.

 

[Lord Camomile]

Just to clarify again, I’ve said success not wealth per se. Saul Goodman misquoted me. I’ve already clarified the difference once.

Apologies; I did actually originally write "success", but switched to "rich" to make the distinction between successful people who aren't rich, as you and other acknowledged with regards to nurses.

Certainly, your original posts clearly say "success" rather than "rich/wealthy", as others seem to have taken it.

Success isn’t a bad measure of intelligence tbf. Probably better than IQ tests.

Whatever field you care to mention. Business included.

edit: oh, but I'd still make the argument that there are plenty of intelligent people who aren't successful, too

 

[Saul Goodman]

Just to clarify again, I’ve said success not wealth per se. Saul Goodman misquoted me. I’ve already clarified the difference once.

I'd say Donald Trump and Boris Johnson are two of the most successful people in the world. How does that work with your theory?

 

[keybored]

and i think the subtext to all those labelling someone stupid based on what? being a rapper?

Saying stuff like
"I am not a fan of books. I would never want a book’s autograph"
or
"I love Coldplay"
or marrying Kim Kardashian.

 

[Edie]

I'd say Donald Trump and Boris Johnson are two of the most successful people in the world. How does that work with your theory?

I’d argue that they are probably more intelligent than they’d have you believe. Although I have to be honest and say I’m not sure in the case of Trump.

 

[maomao]

woah that’s way below the belt, nothing wrong with being a delivery driver

Of course there isn't. That was my point.

 

[campanula]

I am intelligent (yes, I know ) but by standard 1960s measurements (various IQ tests, matrices and so on, I am...apart from the teeny fact that such measurements are essentially meaningless. I am, and always have been, perfectly skint. Oh yeah, I am not remotely successful (as a capitalist exploiter) but am absolutely top in my field when it comes to creative slacking. Which largely illustrates the total redundancy of such metrics as 'success', 'intelligence' and even 'wealth'.

 

[Saul Goodman]

I’d argue that they are probably more intelligent than they’d have you believe. Although I have to be honest and say I’m not sure in the case of Trump.

Confidence and determination are what makes people successful, and money, and connections. Intelligence obviously plays a part for some people but I'd say that overall it's way down the list of criteria.

 

[krtek a houby]

I’d argue that they are probably more intelligent than they’d have you believe. Although I have to be honest and say I’m not sure in the case of Trump.

Stares into the sun, suggests nuking a hurricane, advocates bleach as a cure for covid... there's a whole thread on his intelligence...

 

[two sheds]

Confidence and determination are what makes people successful, and money, and connections. Intelligence obviously plays a part for some people but I'd say that overall it's way down the list of criteria.

... willingness to rip people off ...

 

[keybored]

... willingness to rip people off ...

I was going to say earlier, I'd expect someone's wealth to be more aligned with their willingness to shit all over other people than with their intelligence. Not always, but more often.

 

[Marty1]

and i think the subtext to all those labelling someone stupid based on what? being a rapper? has got to be racism.

Under the current climate of BLM activism across the globe it’s certainly odd to refer to Kanye as an idiot. Perhaps people think that’s ok if he’s friendly with a certain President?

 

[Saul Goodman]

... willingness to rip people off ...

That's almost always the case with financial success, but a willingness to fuck people over is probably a desirable trait if you want to be successful in any way.

 

[Poot]

Low cunning would suit you better for the job anyway.

Low cunning and misplaced overconfidence are a matchless combination for this particular job, apparently.