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July 2005 London bomb blasts: UPDATES AND NEWS ONLY - NO DISCUSSION

reNnIe said:
oh gosh... well i would've lived... still absolutely horrific tho! :( :(

If it had been 6 weeks ago I probably would have been cycling along upper woburn place at that time for my 10 oclock Thursday lecture.
 
Got this email at 5:30pm:


Dear Mr *******,
I can confirm that National Rail, Bus and Docklands Light Railway services are returning to normal.
London Underground will be closed for the rest of the day and will start running a reduced service tomorrow morning.
Please visit our website www.tfl.gov.uk for up to date information, or if you have access to a television please look at Ceefax page 436 or Teletext page 164.
Yours sincerely,
Chris Townsend
Director of Group Marketing
 
I'm really glad to hear that all the people I know are alright. Sympathy and respect from the Glaswegian brigade. I'll toast you all this evening. Gonna go get drunk now. So happy to know everyone's ok.
See you all at the end of the month with any luck.
Most of the reactions I've heard have been admirable in their restraint and maturityld be the one to get all militant. What the hell, I'll settle for everyone surviving...
 
Lisarocket said:
Sky just said that a French minister has been told 50 dead


Sky reported the same figure from Italian sources this morning. Seems more likely then the current figure looking at the pictures.
 
tollbar said:
Sky reported the same figure from Italian sources this morning. Seems more likely then the current figure looking at the pictures.


There is the convention of not reporting figures until relatives have been informed. In practice, in some past events (not thinking clearly enough about it to produce references) this has shaded imperceptibly into news management.

But there are occasions when I can at least see how police are thinking when they engage in news management to have the horror of an event emerge gradually, and this is one.

Their thinking about anything involving the Tube is centred on the Bethnal Green Tube disaster of 1943 - 173 people died in a stampede into the station after (a) an air raid warning that was a false alarm; (b) maybe a very noisy rocket salvo from Victoria Park; and (c) someone tripping at the bottom of the stairs. It was on the top of constables' minds as well as officers' on Millenium Eve - which is why they were reduced to acting as bouncers on the Tube and were barely present on the streets.

Free information, good.

Chances of hundreds more dying in panic-driven circumstances like Bethnal Green, not good.

No right answer comes immediately to mind.
 
There is the convention of not reporting figures until relatives have been informed. In practice, in some past events (not thinking clearly enough about it to produce references) this has shaded imperceptibly into news management.


No, I think they're trying to see if one of the victims is a suicide bomber.

They hinted on C4 that the toll would be much higher on the bus than 2, so 50 sounds possible.
 
A reporter on Paxmans BBC show just said police are speculating that the bus was not the target for the final bomb but that it went off accidently when the terrorists were taking it to another destination.
No idea why or how they might come to this idea.
 
about 10 years ago an IRA bloke blew himself and some others up on a bus in central london. a bbc reporter said the one today was the first bomb on a bus incident in london. not true
 
Xanadu said:
Got this email at 5:30pm:


Dear Mr *******,
I can confirm that National Rail, Bus and Docklands Light Railway services are returning to normal.
London Underground will be closed for the rest of the day and will start running a reduced service tomorrow morning.
Please visit our website www.tfl.gov.uk for up to date information, or if you have access to a television please look at Ceefax page 436 or Teletext page 164.
Yours sincerely,
Chris Townsend
Director of Group Marketing

It'll certainly be reduced, the unions are insisting on a full sweep of the trains and track for unexploded devices before passenger service is re-introduced. Management, apparently, are reluctant.
 
baldrick said:
why the fuck would you take a bomb somewhere on a bus? :confused:

i suppose it's fairly anonymous, but still...

Suggestion in the Standard (completely unsupported by any actual evidence, I must say) that the person concerned (suicide bomber??) was denied entrance to the tube so went on a bus instead???

Still not clear which explosions happened when though, so above may be bollocks.
 
Oxpecker said:
It'll certainly be reduced, the unions are insisting on a full sweep of the trains and track for unexploded devices before passenger service is re-introduced.

''Management, apparently, are reluctant.''

Bah, what possible justification? :mad:
 
If you happen to have a Standard to hand, I recommend, if you can face it, having a look.

For all that paper's faults, the thing it does best today is record a lot of eye witness reports, from all the explosions. I know the BBC are doing the same.

It's reading those that REALLY bring home to you what happened :(
 
maximilian ping said:
about 10 years ago an IRA bloke blew himself and some others up on a bus in central london.

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February 1996


mp said:
a bbc reporter said the one today was the first bomb on a bus incident in london. not true

Er, BBC list they should have looked at!
 
William of Walworth said:
Suggestion in the Standard (completely unsupported by any actual evidence, I must say) that the person concerned (suicide bomber??) was denied entrance to the tube so went on a bus instead???

Still not clear which explosions happened when though, so above may be bollocks.
Hmm sounds speculative. I can't see what circumstances would lead to someone being denied access to the tube at that time of the morning. No-one's really looking, it's too busy.
 
That was what happened to the Aldwych bus bomber - he was taking the bomb somewhere else and it went off accidentally on the bus.
 
"Hmm sounds speculative. I can't see what circumstances would lead to someone being denied access to the tube at that time of the morning. No-one's really looking, it's too busy."

The bus bomb went off one hour after the first bomb, and by that time the tube stations were all closed - its one of the reasons the bus was so full. I think its highly likely that this one was intended for the tube but could not be placed there because the network was shut down so quick. If you have a ticking bomb and you want to kill as many humans as possible, why not place it on a bus (NB I suspect the death toll on the bus has not been revealed because they can't match up all the pieces of people yet).

Does anyone know which direction the tube at Edgeware Rd was going? was it going out of town?
 
harpo said:
Hmm sounds speculative. I can't see what circumstances would lead to someone being denied access to the tube at that time of the morning. No-one's really looking, it's too busy.

Depends on the exact order of events, which I'm still confused about. Maybe 1 or 2 of the other explosions had already happened, and they were already starting to shut down the tube.

I agree that Standard suggestion was part of a thoroughly speculative report though.
 
The bomb at Edgeware affected three trains....it also blew out a wall between platforms, which is probably why the casualties were worse in that incident
 
well red said:
(NB I suspect the death toll on the bus has not been revealed because they can't match up all the pieces of people yet).

And the bomber is presumably amongst them - which will be a massive clue.
 
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