Joe Biden's time is up

[PTK]

Why would Biden give a flea sized fuck?

The Dems were perfectly happy to drop him like a hot turd when they decided he was no longer an electoral asset, so no love lost there, and he (certainly imv, and in the view of plenty of commentators in the US) has entirely legitimate fears about a Trump run DoJ will do to his scrote of a son.

He's already lost 2 of his four children, I can well imagine that the prospect of having a third getting 20 years for stuff that no one else would get a year for purely because of who his father is doesn't appeal.

It's not the politics - particularly given that Bidens politics have turned to ash - it's the person.

Does the Department of Justice in the USA dictate to judges what sentances they pass?

 

[krtek a houby]

do we really need to Russ thought you were already stuck in the 1970s ...

1930s

 

[a_chap]

Does the Department of Justice in the USA dictate to judges what sentances they pass?

Soon...

 

[Rob Ray]

Well, all that's true from the Biden end of the telescope. I'm just saying it's not exactly a great step in creating a politics that will beat the Trump army in the mid terms in 2 years.

I don't think it'll make the blindest bit of difference tbh. The Dems managed to lose a man who thinks probity is his 3pm colonic.

 

[Nylock]

I have mixed feelings about this. It seems like Hunter did break a great many laws. The plea deal he had was a sweetheart deal, but he did abide by it by paying the IRS what they were due, along with penalties. He didn't deserve the pile-on of charges that could have meant 46 years on prison. That seemed partisan. I don't blame Biden for the pardon. I'd have done the same for someone I cared about, but I think some jail time was called for. A normal person would have probably gotten a year or two.

If the dems hadn't spent the past several months banging the drum about how their side repects the rule of law and if Biden himself hadn't declared that he would not pardon Hunter, then I would find the act understandable, considering what Trump likely has in store for the guy. However, because the dems did bang the drum and biden did state several times a pardon would not be forthcoming, all this pardon has managed to do is:

• make the dems look like an even bigger bunch of cunts than they already are
• rob the democrats of any moral authority in future arguments against trump's blatant and massive corruption, thus removing any viable attack lines for future political campaigns
• further erode what little trust remains in politicians over in the us
• nullify and neuter any attack lines concerning abuse of pardon power, as we all know trump is going to hammer the shit out of that

...although it's understandable, given the context it's fucking idiotic, counterproductive and hobbles any ability for democrats to launch future attacks based on trump's blatant nepotism, corruption and self-serving approach to governance. It's as if Biden decided 'fuck it, and fuck you all'...

 

[Ax^]

I don't think it'll make the blindest bit of difference tbh. The Dems managed to lose a man who thinks probity is his 3pm colonic.

only man who managed to beat trump at the voting booth mind..

as I said previously being nice and playing by the rule for him discarded by the party and country.. for a orange shit Hitler wannabe

id be given a much larger two fingers to everyone involved..fuck principles when you are leaving office in that situation

 

[The39thStep]

Well, all that's true from the Biden end of the telescope. I'm just saying it's not exactly a great step in creating a politics that will beat the Trump army in the mid terms in 2 years.

If one has a position that the electorate were to blame for Trump's victory because they didn't vote for the Democrats, then clearly it's the electorate who has to gain the Democrat's trust, not the other way around.

 

[kebabking]

If the dems hadn't spent the past several months banging the drum about how their side repects the rule of law and if Biden himself hadn't declared that he would not pardon Hunter, then I would find the act understandable, considering what Trump likely has in store for the guy. However, because the dems did bang the drum and biden did state several times a pardon would not be forthcoming, all this pardon has managed to do is:

• make the dems look like an even bigger bunch of cunts than they already are
• rob the democrats of any moral authority in future arguments against trump's blatant and massive corruption, thus removing any viable attack lines for future political campaigns
• further erode what little trust remains in politicians over in the us
• nullify and neuter any attack lines concerning abuse of pardon power, as we all know trump is going to hammer the shit out of that

...although it's understandable, given the context it's fucking idiotic, counterproductive and hobbles any ability for democrats to launch future attacks based on trump's blatant nepotism, corruption and self-serving approach to governance. It's as if Biden decided 'fuck it, and fuck you all'...

Well, all that's true from the Biden end of the telescope. I'm just saying it's not exactly a great step in creating a politics that will beat the Trump army in the mid terms in 2 years.

See, I think you're both right, that Biden is playing up to the ' they're all the same' stuff, would make political attacks on Trump more difficult - in normal times.

But, for me - and you can see my pessimism in the America turning into a dictatorship thread - US politics has gone far beyond that.

For me, thinking that this will have any impact on whether a Dem or a republican is elected in 2028 is akin to a Foreign Office policy wonk writing memo in 1943 stating that the RAF sending a thousand bombers to Berlin will undo valuable diplomatic work at the League of Nations.

Or the White Star Line launching an investigation into whether the water absorbance of wallpaper used on the Titanic was responsible for it sinking so fast.

 

[Ax^]

If one has a position that the electorate were to blame for Trump's victory because they didn't vote for the Democrats, then clearly it's the electorate who has to gain the Democrat's trust, not the other way around.

if the Dems want to get elected in 2028, they should start telling Americans they plan to make eggs cheaper by fucking the poor and infirm..

 

[xenon]

See, I think you're both right, that Biden is playing up to the ' they're all the same' stuff, would make political attacks on Trump more difficult - in normal times.

But, for me - and you can see my pessimism in the America turning into a dictatorship thread - US politics has gone far beyond that.

For me, thinking that this will have any impact on whether a Dem or a republican is elected in 2028 is akin to a Foreign Office policy wonk writing memo in 1943 stating that the RAF sending a thousand bombers to Berlin will undo valuable diplomatic work at the League of Nations.

Or the White Star Line launching an investigation into whether the water absorbance of wallpaper used on the Titanic was responsible for it sinking so fast.

^ Yep. I'm not quite as pessimistic as you, at least regards how far down the road of recognisable full on dictatorship the US will get in the next 4 years.

However, this is like a game where you know the other side is dirty, cheating, will use anything against you. In such circumstances, you're a moron if you don't use anything in your power, *optics be dammed, to protect your position and those you care about most. Let's remember, the system allows Biden to do this. He hasn't broken any rules. I'd have done the same.

* optics isn't going to win you anything. There's an ajudicated rapest and convicted fellen in the WH. How's that for optics... Winning the people over is what matters and they don't care, at least not enough to matter.

 

[Ax^]

the dems so lean fully into the racist rethoric..

sure fireto win in America at this point

just make sure to mentioned it will make eggs cheaper

 

[xenon]

I mean look at that wierd freak in Argentina. The days of winning election's because of optics and ethics is over, if it ever existed. Offer people something.

 

[Ax^]

cheaper eggs and fucking the poor and a hint of racism...

2028 here we come baby.

 

[Nylock]

See, I think you're both right, that Biden is playing up to the ' they're all the same' stuff, would make political attacks on Trump more difficult - in normal times.

But, for me - and you can see my pessimism in the America turning into a dictatorship thread - US politics has gone far beyond that.

For me, thinking that this will have any impact on whether a Dem or a republican is elected in 2028 is akin to a Foreign Office policy wonk writing memo in 1943 stating that the RAF sending a thousand bombers to Berlin will undo valuable diplomatic work at the League of Nations.

Or the White Star Line launching an investigation into whether the water absorbance of wallpaper used on the Titanic was responsible for it sinking so fast.

JFC, my view was with regards to the democrats now having a significant reduction of options regarding any argument that can be made against trump (and, by extension, other republicans who are as shameless as he) when it comes to future campaigning in their insufferably myopic election cycles (i mean, they're already banging on about 2028 before the sun has even set on 2024 ffs!). I was not attempting to project anything regarding how it would affect people's voting habits...

Whether this actually has any actual long-term effect on campaign outcomes in future elections is doubtful -after all, there are plenty of other issues that will end up determining those. I suppose my incredulity with all of this is that, in a system already running on fumes and that seems to be one dodgy act away from total collapse, for biden to turn around and so blatantly do a 180 on his previously stated hard position regarding this issue seems so massively counterproductive. It's a stark reminder to voters that these people who make out they are so pious in 'placing the national interest first' in actual reality also fall back on the whole "fuck you, I got mine" attitude when it comes down to it.

 

[moochedit]

Princess Anne guilty over dog attack

The Princess Royal today became the first member of the royal family to be convicted of a criminal offence as she pleaded guilty to a charge under the dangerous dogs act.

www.theguardian.com

She's had a speeding ticket before as well if my memory serves me correctly?