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Joe Biden's time is up

Would be lols but you can’t be pardoned until found guilty.

The optics of this are awful, regardless of what Trump has said, Biden has rubbished the rule of law in the US. Just imagine that today you are up for sentencing for tax evasion, facing years, decades behind bars. And this cunt gets a free pass cos of nepotism…

bide. rubbished the rule of law by letting his own attorney general sit on his fucking hands for 4 years and now we have a convicted fellow as president of the USA.. who attacked Congress

bide. giving his son a pardon is a drop in a bloody ocean at this stage
 
It's a pity that Biden only got ruthless about using the power at his disposal when it was about protecting his son - and I understand why he's done it, and his position I'd think seriously about doing the same - and not when it was about protecting his country from Trump and his assorted fascists, or Ukraine from the Russians....
 
I wish Joe would use some of those immunity powers that the SC handed over to help their guy. You know, he can do anything while in power as it's an "official" act. The example was allowing a president to take out an opponent. Have at it Joe.

I completely understand why he has done this. Imagine the bastard who keeps bragging about his upcoming retribution tour. Your son gets banged up when if he was anyone else he wouldn't have been, and you have the cronies surrounding the evil sack of shit with the power to do what they fucking want. His life would be under threat inside from Dumpty's cult, heck probably even from some of the guards.

I just wish the Dems had fought fire with fire sooner, and not been the nice guys who rolled over all the time in the face of a fascist.
 
Yeah isn't this the whole point of pardons. If you're gonna have them, they'll be used for exactly this sort of thing.
 
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The head of state shouldn't even have this power ffs.

The intent is to rectify miscarriages of justice. The founding fathers were a bit naive in some respects. They understood that consolidating power into one man's hands was dangerous, hence the separation of powers, but over the last couple of decades, more and more power has been gathered under the executive. The flaw in this, of course, is that someone unscrupulous will misuse it. I think they only counted on ordinary corruption like war profiteering as in the Grant administration. They didn't really foresee someone quite as awful as Trump and assumed that the norms of the office would be some protection. Those norms aren't protection against someone who doesn't know what the norms are and could not care less about observing them.

I doubt it will happen, but I'm hoping that more people who are incarcerated under marijuana laws will be pardoned. I believe that Obama commuted some of these sentences before he left office, but didn't offer full pardons. It's the height of hypocrisy for the government to pay its bills off the proceeds of marijuana, while jailing people who sell it.
 
The intent is to rectify miscarriages of justice. The founding fathers were a bit naive in some respects. They understood that consolidating power into one man's hands was dangerous, hence the separation of powers, but over the last couple of decades, more and more power has been gathered under the executive. The flaw in this, of course, is that someone unscrupulous will misuse it. I think they only counted on ordinary corruption like war profiteering as in the Grant administration. They didn't really foresee someone quite as awful as Trump and assumed that the norms of the office would be some protection. Those norms aren't protection against someone who doesn't know what the norms are and could not care less about observing them.

I doubt it will happen, but I'm hoping that more people who are incarcerated under marijuana laws will be pardoned. I believe that Obama commuted some of these sentences before he left office, but didn't offer full pardons. It's the height of hypocrisy for the government to pay its bills off the proceeds of marijuana, while jailing people who sell it.
Understood. This needs to happen through the judicial system though. Not some bloke's whim. :D
 
I beg your pardon...

Joe pardons Hunter after saying he wouldn't do such a thing.


I have mixed feelings about this. It seems like Hunter did break a great many laws. The plea deal he had was a sweetheart deal, but he did abide by it by paying the IRS what they were due, along with penalties. He didn't deserve the pile-on of charges that could have meant 46 years on prison. That seemed partisan. I don't blame Biden for the pardon. I'd have done the same for someone I cared about, but I think some jail time was called for. A normal person would have probably gotten a year or two.
 
Understood. This needs to happen through the judicial system though. Not some bloke's whim. :D

Agreed, although getting a review of the original conviction can be nearly impossible. We really need an overhaul of many of our institutions and the legal system is only one in a long list.
 
I think the Independent is a bit over the top though with the headline



So pardoning his son has ruined everything - there's nothing left for Trump to wreck. Unlikely .

TBF, Trump did a lot to ruin the judicial system by appointing completely unqualified judges who were loyal to him, and packing the Supreme Court in his first term. And, I don't think the system has been evenly applied to everyone long before that.
 
I think the Independent is a bit over the top though with the headline



So pardoning his son has ruined everything - there's nothing left for Trump to wreck. Unlikely .
What the fuck are these media idiots doing? I think those of us who follow US politics closely know more about what's going on there than these so-called journalists. It's their craven cowardice in helping the pos that has got the country to where it's at.

I've had another fallout with a relative earlier, who knows absolutely fuck all about US politics, (she literally knows nothing about how the system works etc) and only hears of it from me. The bs she came out with after just hearing the headlines from the news was gobsmacking in its idiocy. I feel like I'm in a nightmare world watching what that bastard has done, and is doing, while the world watches, and many like my relative, just takes on the headlines from a neutered media.

To be fair, she does it with lots of news, getting her "info" from social media and fb. She never has a clue when I ask her for her sources when she comes out with her claptrap. The answer? The news, it just popped up on my phone........She never knows from where, whereas I can point out who I've read/watched for my info. Critical thinking skills are something she does not seem to have heard of. Anyone can tell her anything, and I have to listen to her nonsense.

Sorry to rant, but she has goaded me once too often with her misinformation/disinformation :mad:.
 
The intent is to rectify miscarriages of justice.

That's interesting.

What I don't get is that the power to pardon puts the president above other people. In the UK we of course have the monarchy who are supposedly chosen by god and therefore are above the rest of us, I was under the impression that in the US all people are created equal, clearly not. The irony being that the Royal Family can (and have been) prosecuted, indeed the sweatless one lives in fear of just this eventuality.
 
That's interesting.

What I don't get is that the power to pardon puts the president above other people. In the UK we of course have the monarchy who are supposedly cen by god and therefore are above the rest of us, I was under the impression that in the US all people are created equal, clearly not. The irony being that the Royal Family can (and have been) prosecuted, indeed the sweatless one lives in fear of just this eventuality.
Some are more equal than others..but I don't think THAT is the underlying drive behind Presidental pardons..route to safety valve beyond other mainstream methods of appeal.
I equally wouldn't have a problem if Blunket talking to Charles about IPP cases...
 
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Couldn't have put it better.


Pretty weird argument to be honest: 'the other guy is corrupt as fuck and will misuse the power of the Presidency, so I will too'. I mean, it doesn't make much difference to anything and I certainly don't care, but it firms up the view of disaffected voters that are 'all the fucking same'. Not a great start for the Dems rebuilding trust is it?
 
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Pretty weird argument to be honest: 'the other guy is corrupt as fuck and will misuse the power of the Presidency, so I will too'. I mean, it doesn't make much difference to anything and I certainly don't care, but it firms up the view of disaffected voters that are 'all the fucking same'. Not a great start for the Dems rebuilding trust is it?

Why would Biden give a flea sized fuck?

The Dems were perfectly happy to drop him like a hot turd when they decided he was no longer an electoral asset, so no love lost there, and he (certainly imv, and in the view of plenty of commentators in the US) has entirely legitimate fears about a Trump run DoJ will do to his scrote of a son.

He's already lost 2 of his four children, I can well imagine that the prospect of having a third getting 20 years for stuff that no one else would get a year for purely because of who his father is doesn't appeal.

It's not the politics - particularly given that Bidens politics have turned to ash - it's the person.
 
Why would Biden give a flea sized fuck?

The Dems were perfectly happy to drop him like a hot turd when they decided he was no longer an electoral asset, so no love lost there, and he (certainly imv, and in the view of plenty of commentators in the US) has entirely legitimate fears about a Trump run DoJ will do to his scrote of a son.

He's already lost 2 of his four children, I can well imagine that the prospect of having a third getting 20 years for stuff that no one else would get a year for purely because of who his father is doesn't appeal.

It's not the politics - particularly given that Bidens politics have turned to ash - it's the person.
Well, all that's true from the Biden end of the telescope. I'm just saying it's not exactly a great step in creating a politics that will beat the Trump army in the mid terms in 2 years.
 
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