Joe Biden's time is up

[krtek a houby]

The Democrat party is a shitshow, this is pathetic.

2016 - vote for Hillary Clinton, the living embodiment of the Washington elite who it's increasingly clear that middle USA is railing against. But you have to vote for her even though she offers nothing, because otherwise you get the fascist.

2020 - vote for Joe Biden, the old man and continuity embodiment of the Washington elite. Trump's been the worst president in history, an abhorrence of a man - vote for Biden even though he offers nothing, but because he's the only alternative to the fascist.

2024 - vote for the reanimated corpse of Joe Biden. He offers absolutely nothing and the Republicans will have you convinced that he's been 94% dead for a year and a half, but you MUST vote for him because otherwise the fascist is back.

For fucks sake, offer SOMETHING instead, or don't act surprised when a complete lack of giving a shit, worn down over 8 long years, sees an unenthusiastic Democrat vote lose to Trump. And don't you fucking dare blame the voters and wheel out Clinton again in 2028.

That's assuming there's still a USA by then..

 

[two sheds]

https://edition.cnn.com/2024/07/20/politics/democratic-consensus-harris-should-biden-step-aside/index.html

No one quite knows what the process of picking a new nominee would be if Joe Biden did step aside – but many Democrats say that any process is likelier than ever to quickly end with Vice President Kamala Harris as the nominee.

The informal conversations about how a fight to replace Biden at the top of the ticket would play out have been raging for weeks behind the scenes. But uncertainty about the process has been so unclear it’s given multiple Democrats – even those with serious concerns about Biden – pause about coming out against the president’s candidacy, given that what comes next could be even messier.

better than the alternative you'd think

 

[Yossarian]

The Democrat party is a shitshow, this is pathetic.

2016 - vote for Hillary Clinton, the living embodiment of the Washington elite who it's increasingly clear that middle USA is railing against. But you have to vote for her even though she offers nothing, because otherwise you get the fascist.

2020 - vote for Joe Biden, the old man and continuity embodiment of the Washington elite. Trump's been the worst president in history, an abhorrence of a man - vote for Biden even though he offers nothing, but because he's the only alternative to the fascist.

There were competitive primaries in 2016 and especially 2020, tbf - there were so many Democratic candidates running in the 2020 cycle that they had to split the first Democratic debate into two nights with 10 candidates each.

It's too bad there weren't more Democrats willing to challenge Biden in the primaries this time around - Marianne Williamson, Dean Phillips, and Jason Palmer never came close to being serious rivals, though Palmer managed to win the caucuses in American Samoa

 

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Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez warns anti-Biden Democrats about what comes next if they succeed

The progressive New Yorker spoke on Instagram about the potential risks of pressuring President Joe Biden to end his campaign.

www.msnbc.com

Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, D-N.Y., has issued a dire warning to her party about the chaos that could ensue if they succeed in pushing President Joe Biden off the ticket. And she criticized Democrats who’ve given off-the-record quotes that suggest the party has resigned itself to a second Trump term.

In an Instagram Live video on Thursday, Ocasio-Cortez warned liberals that a brokered convention could lead to chaos, in part because she says some of the Democratic “elites” who want Biden out also don’t want Vice President Kamala Harris as the nominee in his place.


“If you think that is going to be an easy transition, I’m here to tell you that a huge amount of the donor class and these elites who are pushing for the president not to be the nominee also do not want to see the VP be the nominee,” she said.

Ocasio-Cortez claimed none of the people she’s spoken with who are calling on Biden to drop out — including lawmakers and legal experts — have articulated a plan to swap out the nominee without minimizing the serious legal and procedural challenges that are likely to ensue.

Ocasio-Cortez also highlighted the racial, ethnic and class divisions that appear to have formed between the majority of those pining to blow up the ticket — led mostly by white Democrats and media pundits — and those elected officials who feel they and their constituents have too much at stake to upend the process at this point and so are willing to do the work to re-elect Biden-Harris. She alluded to this cultural divide in her video when she spoke out against anonymous sources expressing a sense of fatalism on behalf of Democrats about what might happen if Biden remains on the ticket:

"What I will say is what upsets me is [Democrats] saying we will lose. For me, to a certain extent, I don’t care what name is on there. We are not losing. I don’t know about you, but my community does not have the option to lose. My community does not have the luxury of accepting loss in July of an election year. My people are the first ones deported. They’re the first ones put in Rikers. They’re the first ones whose families are killed by war."

 

[Rob Ray]

Shit seems to be troubled on the Dem progressive side too tbh. AOC spoke out in favour of Biden yesterday (on Instagram live). Don't really know what's going on there... NBC reckons they've got concessions that form part of the Biden ticket that could be dumped on another. I'd like to think they aren't quite that mercenary/run by fear. Because fuck all use having progressive concessions on a losing ticket. I suppose they just have some degree of confidence that whatever Biden represents, he's better than the alternative? But that's a fucking terrifying prospect.

Well I don't know, someone else go on a deep dive and come back with a precis. thx.

She was pretty clear on the reasoning, she thinks a large section of the party isn't so much bothered about Biden's capabilities as they are about replacing him with someone economically further to the right. They don't fancy being Corbinned.

 

[Karl Masks]

Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez warns anti-Biden Democrats about what comes next if they succeed

The progressive New Yorker spoke on Instagram about the potential risks of pressuring President Joe Biden to end his campaign.

www.msnbc.com

Does she think Biden can seriously win against Trump as is? I think she makes a lot of sense, particularly about the dire consequences for her community, but it's all predicated on the assumption Biden can win. Not that she wants him to win. We all want him to win as opposed to Trump, but can he seriously function as president anymore?

 

[Yossarian]

I'm definitely not expecting it to happen, but would be funny if Michelle Obama decided to step in after and make the fears of Republican conspiracy theorists come true

Republicans were mostly sanguine about any replacements. They played pundit as they downed canned vodka cocktails before the convention and tall glasses of Spotted Cow beer late at night, debating the various merits of opponents ranging from Harris to Gavin Newsom to Josh Shapiro. The one dark horse that perennially came up was Michelle Obama. The former First Lady has long been the focus of right-wing clickbait about how she is secretly being groomed to take over the Democratic Party. On Wednesday night, Donald Trump Jr. asked the arena, “Who is really running the country?” Delegates across the floor spontaneously shouted “Obama!”

https://archive.ph/Tx5vj

According to an Ipsos poll, she'd have more support than Biden, Harris, or any of the alternatives being talked about

 

[Zapp Brannigan]

I'm definitely not expecting it to happen, but would be funny if Michelle Obama decided to step in after and make the fears of Republican conspiracy theorists come true

Republicans were mostly sanguine about any replacements. They played pundit as they downed canned vodka cocktails before the convention and tall glasses of Spotted Cow beer late at night, debating the various merits of opponents ranging from Harris to Gavin Newsom to Josh Shapiro. The one dark horse that perennially came up was Michelle Obama. The former First Lady has long been the focus of right-wing clickbait about how she is secretly being groomed to take over the Democratic Party. On Wednesday night, Donald Trump Jr. asked the arena, “Who is really running the country?” Delegates across the floor spontaneously shouted “Obama!”

https://archive.ph/Tx5vj

According to an Ipsos poll, she'd have more support than Biden, Harris, or any of the alternatives being talked about

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Step 1: Michelle Obama gets the nomination

Step 2: The Reppublicans go on a relentless negative campaign about how the Obamas have been running the show behind the scenes, aided by a compliant media and a drip feed pushed by Musk to every twitter account in the world. Middle America, the swing states - some it listens, some of it is just worn down by the non-stop propaganda. It will be enough.

Step 3: Trump wins the election.

This kind of shit is a graphic demonstration of how the Democrats have learned nothing and are prepared to learn even less.

 

[Ax^]

hmm Michelle would ride straight over Trump

but he maga turned GOP would turn to Civial war rather than defeat

 

[Nylock]

bernie sanders backing him as well. You'd think the left would be most exercised in doing everything possible to stop the USA sliding into becoming a chaotic, authoritarian basket case with a capricious, demented fascist in charge.

The appearance of unity? Not giving their opponents any more ammo than they currently have? The progressive wing of the Dems calling for biden's head would be relentlessly propagandised by the usual suspects...

hmm Michelle would ride straight over Trump

but he maga turned GOP would turn to Civial war rather than defeat

She'd have to learn to avoid all that "when they go low, we go high" bollocks. That will absolutely not work Vs the arsehole wing of us politics...

 

[weltweit]

I am not sure being the wife of a former male president is that great a qualification.

Didn't seem to help Hilary.

 

[Ax^]

Hilary had her own political career separate to her husband's and was know as hawk

and her husband time in office were hardly candle free

Michelle would be running on Obama legacy the amount of demographics she could get out to basically reset the madness of trump would be quite.different to Hilary


it not going to happen as the women has no interest in politics but the polling shows she would be the best candidate if they continue to insist to muddle up their voting intentions to get rid of Biden

 

[8ball]

hmm Michelle would ride straight over Trump

I kind of doubt that, but I doubt even more that she’d beat him in an election.

 

[Ax^]

trump has his crazy base to fall back on but plenty of republican are just not going to vote

democrats would likely vote for Michelle

 

[8ball]

trump has his crazy base to fall back on but plenty of republican are just not going to vote

democrats would likely vote for Michelle

Not sure. If Michelle runs it looks like a coronation, and the most anti-Trump Reps have survived a term with him at the helm - would likely look preferable to supporting a Dem dynasty by default.

 

[Ax^]

again it not going to happen so I'm not wasting hour of my life arguing about the details with you

Mrs Obama has no interest in ticket but polling is showing her as the strongest candidate if choose to take up the option hth

 

[Zapp Brannigan]

Michelle Obama would win the popular vote by a mile, as support in already blue cities and states would go through the roof.

Trump would be president.

 

[8ball]

again it not going to happen so I'm not wasting hour of my life arguing about the details with you

Mrs Obama has no interest in ticket but polling is showing her as the strongest candidate if choose to take up the option hth

Aye - I remember polling showing Trump couldn’t win the first time round. Then there was Brexit, then Corbyn yada yada.

But if she won’t run then at least that’s one less rake for the Dems to step on..

 

[Ax^]

Michelle Obama would win the popular vote by a mile, as support in already blue cities and states would go through the roof.

Trump would be president.

every poll in the last few days has shown otherwise but hey ho

the democrats have already given the vote trump.by not backing biden

 

[Zapp Brannigan]

every poll in the last few days has shown otherwise but hey ho

the democrats have already given the vote trump.by not backing biden

The polls I've seen have been simple percentages. That doesn't equate to an equal swing in every state; the election will be won and lost in those few swing states, and none (in my opinion) are anywhere near likely to be swayed by being told to vote for the continuation of a Washington elite dynasty.

 

[redsquirrel]

National level for polls for badly defined hypotheticals, still four months from the election show little more than that there is a dissatisfaction with Biden - both generally and in Democratic circles

 

[Zapp Brannigan]

And just to be clear, "Washington elite dynasty" isn't my version of affairs, it's the perception that will be pushed by Republicans and believed by millions.

 

[Yossarian]

it not going to happen as the women has no interest in politics but the polling shows she would be the best candidate if they continue to insist to muddle up their voting intentions to get rid of Biden

Yeah, she has been absolutely consistent since the end of the Obama administration that she has no interest in a political career and has had quite enough of life in the White House, I'd be amazed if she did a U-turn at this point, especially after the Trump rally shooting

 

[weltweit]

I am not surprised Michelle Obama had enough of life in the White House. 8 Years is plenty.

 

[Idris2002]

Twitter today is full of mad rightoids predicting the political resurrection of Hillary C.

It doesn't pass the smell test, but it's fun to watch.

 

[Kaka Tim]

cant see how he can carry on now - so many leading dems have called for him to go as hes - essentailly - too old. Going to hard to change the publics mind on that when its you're own side saying it. I mean - Trump is looking like a dead cert with Biden as his opponent - so they may as well roll the dice again. A democrat leadership battle takes the spotlight off trump at least. Maybe they need a "non-political" "national treasure" candidate like Dolly Parton or homer simpson or someone.

 

[Johnny Vodka]

Quick snippet at end of BBC news - sounds like Biden is going to stand down (TBC).

 

[Idris2002]

Biden quits

 

[belboid]

Well…

 

[moochedit]

So as candidate but not as president right?