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Joe Biden's time is up

Petcha said:
It does seem a slightly stupid rule really. Obama is currently sitting on the sidelines and would probably still be the boss if he'd been allowed to. Compare and contrast his oratorial skills to Biden. What a waste.
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i think that the period 2009-2017 saw quite enough bloodshed from the decisions of the obama administration and the prospect of more from him would be unwelcome
 
Pickman's model said:
i think that the period 2009-2017 saw quite enough bloodshed from the decisions of the obama administration and the prospect of more from him would be unwelcome
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He would wipe the floor with Trump. Although anyone who could string a coherent sentence together could probably do that. Unfortunately we currently have a Democratic candidate who can't even do that.
 
Petcha said:
He would wipe the floor with Trump. Although anyone who could string a coherent sentence together could probably do that. Unfortunately we currently have a Democratic candidate who can't even do that.
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Exhume mcgovern and stand him. Those silences are just him considering his reply
 
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Petcha said:
It does seem a slightly stupid rule really. Obama is currently sitting on the sidelines and would probably still be the boss if he'd been allowed to. Compare and contrast his oratorial skills to Biden. What a waste.
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On the other hand Bush can't run again and Trump won't be able to either next time round so on balance i'm glad they have it.
 
If Trump wins, which unless Biden steps down will be the case, the first thing he'll do is to cut aid to Ukraine, and all the repercussions of that, god knows what he'll do about Gaza and that wall's construction will be back on track. Surely someone, his wife maybe, can just tell him, 'Joe, it's time'. It's completely irresponsible of him to carry on. Maybe he's too far gone to read the papers and polls?
 
Think that rule was made after one of their presidents ran for 4 terms (can't remember who without googling it).
 
Petcha said:
So apparently the only way they can replace him is if he voluntarily steps down. Which he's indicated he's not going to do. Is there anything in the law that can make a President step down on mental grounds? He's clearly senile.

If he truly loved his country, and well, the world, he'd do the decent thing here. Because otherwise we could seriously be looking at WW3. He's got no chance against the orange one.

I know presidents can only serve two terms.. But is that consecutive terms? Could Trump run again in four years time? I have this horrible vision of Trump/Johnson being in power at the same time again if the rumours are true and Boris is planning his own comeback.
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The only problem with Biden stepping aside and being replaced with someone else is that the Repubs will file a shitload of lawsuits challenging the legitimacy of the replacement candidate.

Interesting article on why it would be difficult to replace Biden at such a late stage.

Original Wash Post article here:
 
Petcha said:
If Trump wins, which unless Biden steps down, the first thing he'll do is to cut aid to Ukraine, and all the repercussions of that, god knows what he'll do about Gaza and that wall's construction will be back on track. Surely someone, his wife maybe, can just tell him, 'Joe, it's time'. It's completely irresponsible of him to carry on. Maybe he's too far gone to read the papers and polls?
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Wall will never get finished. Sadly i think you are right about Ukraine. He will do anything to please Vlad. Not sure about Gaza but he was pissed off with the israeli pm for backing Biden too soon in 2020 and he doesn't forget shit like that.
 
he lied throughout, but do his supporters care, and even if they do will they ever get their way out of their echo chamber to find out?

 
moochedit said:
Think that rule was made after one of their presidents ran for 4 terms (can't remember who without googling it).
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Franklin Roosevelt served three terms, was elected for a fourth, but died early in that term.

Petcha said:
It's a democracy. If the people want him to run 4 terms then so be it. It's not Russia.
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presume it would require an amendment to the constitution, though - the rule about serving more than 2 terms appears to have been an informal convention before the 22nd amendment was passed in 1947.

i'm not sure what has to happen to pass an amendment to the constitution, but presume it would have to be set off by the incumbent administration and get through both houses.

for what it's worth, the wikipedia article says it's fuzzy about whether someone who's already served 2 terms as president could get elected vice president then take over as president if the president then died or became incapable of doing the job...
 
Puddy_Tat said:
for what it's worth, the wikipedia article says it's fuzzy about whether someone who's already served 2 terms as president could get elected vice president then take over as president if the president then died or became incapable of doing the job...
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I think it needs to be ratified by two-thirds of the states, hard to see that ever happening, especially not if Trump wins a second term and wants a third
 
Puddy_Tat said:
Franklin Roosevelt served three terms, was elected for a fourth, but died early in that term.



presume it would require an amendment to the constitution, though - the rule about serving more than 2 terms appears to have been an informal convention before the 22nd amendment was passed in 1947.

i'm not sure what has to happen to pass an amendment to the constitution, but presume it would have to be set off by the incumbent administration and get through both houses.

for what it's worth, the wikipedia article says it's fuzzy about whether someone who's already served 2 terms as president could get elected vice president then take over as president if the president then died or became incapable of doing the job...
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It needs two thirds majority in both houses plus i think a certain number of states have to ratify it so fortunatly likely too high a bar.

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Donald Trump the road that might not lead to the White House - Redux 2024 thread.

I'm not sure what the rules say. Are they that you can't win more than two elections, or that you can't serve more than two terms? In his tiny mind he's aiming to do the former, but hasn't been allowed to serve his deservedly won second term. Section 1 No person shall be elected to the office...
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Guy from the Lincoln Project on the beeb now saying there's only one way to change the candidate and that's for Biden to personally step down, otherwise no chance. He's suggesting Obama might have a word in his ear.
 
Biden now telling CNN that he has no intention of backing out and is committed to the next debate in September.

It does rather look as if either he or Trump needs to be shot.
 
Silas Loom said:
Biden now telling CNN that he has no intention of backing out and is committed to the next debate in September.

It does rather look as if either he or Trump needs to be shot.
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He'll have far more blood on his hands than Obama or Bush if he doesn't back out
 
The democrats need to get rid of Biden, he is probably a very nice man but mentally he is past it, he was shambolic in last night's debate with Trump. They need a new candidate urgently, there have to be some better candidates in the Democratic party.
 
weltweit said:
The democrats need to get rid of Biden, he is probably a very nice man but mentally he is past it, he was shambolic in last night's debate with Trump. They need a new candidate urgently, there have to be some better candidates in the Democratic party.
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I think the Dems are well aware of that but it's practically impossible unless he steps down himself. Ironically he's so senile he clearly can't see that he's so senile he's about to plunge the world into absolute chaos.
 
weltweit said:
The democrats need to get rid of Biden, he is probably a very nice man but mentally he is past it, he was shambolic in last night's debate with Trump. They need a new candidate urgently, there have to be some better candidates in the Democratic party.
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They have no real mechanisms to do so without consensus on the best alternative. There is no such consensus. The situation only gets resolved if Biden sees sense. At the moment, that looks unlikely, but perhaps some people he trusts will stage an intervention at the weekend.
 
burtabraham said:
At this stage I think it’s more like the people around Biden that are using him :(
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Well if they used him to get the Inflation Reduction Act through and hundreds of billions into renewable energy and huge job creation then I say thats a bigger win than anything from the Trump time combined. We have a basically puppet president here with the Royalty, the figurehead often has bugger all knowledge of what they are signing since knowing everything about everything is not a reasonable assumption for anyone to have. It's all advisors and specialists, listening to them can be beneficial or it can be negative. Ignoring all experts while declaring himself one caused the deaths of huge amounts of americans through bungling the covid situation. What should have been an easy win turned into a shitstorm, which then had its direction redrawn with a sharpie.
 
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