Joe Biden's time is up

[two sheds]

I think just the engineering of people into the right places who can “find votes” for Trump will be enough.

Them three will certainly be enough then.

 

[8ball]

…the recount tactics have failed every time, even when led by republicans.

The trouble is that those Republicans (the ones that showed some backbone and principles last time), are being replaced.

 

[petee]

(the ones that showed some backbone and principles last time)

but they were picked to go into it because they were trumpers. they only showed backbone once they got involved in the nitty-gritty. the ones replacing them are trumpers who, when they get into the nitty-gritty ...

i'm not unconcerned mind, but the next election is the democrats' to lose. they won in 2016 (they did), won by the biggest margin ever in 2020, and if they get the messaging right etc. in 2024 it should be no contest. they've won the vote in every presidential election since 1992.

what the rightwing is doing is establishing a parallel country, but that's a separate question from the outcome of the next presidential election.

 

[8ball]

The attempt to establish a parallel country is not restricted to the right wing. On the right, though, they are finding ways around being scuppered by the simple matter of which parallel country is more populous.

 

[Dogsauce]

The extreme fucked-upness of current republican/right wing thinking involves discouraging vaccines and other Covid prevention measures so that people blame Biden for the large number of deaths and not getting ‘control’ of the situation. They’ve done the maths, and even though it is mainly their people the virus is killing at the moment the electoral gain from being able to beat Biden with this stick outweighs that. It’s kind of the electoral equivalent of the Ford Pinto scandal, they can afford a certain number of deaths. That’s where the morality is.

 

[Yuwipi Woman]

The extreme fucked-upness of current republican/right wing thinking involves discouraging vaccines and other Covid prevention measures so that people blame Biden for the large number of deaths and not getting ‘control’ of the situation. They’ve done the maths, and even though it is mainly their people the virus is killing at the moment the electoral gain from being able to beat Biden with this stick outweighs that. It’s kind of the electoral equivalent of the Ford Pinto scandal, they can afford a certain number of deaths. That’s where the morality is.

I agree with most of this, but there's the additional factor that they're social Darwinists to the core. Having the old, the weak, the poor, and the sick die is a side effect that they're perfectly happy with too. To them, its less "government money" spent supporting "useless eaters." Even old, sick Republicans are happy with this because they don't think they're the "useless eaters." "Useless eaters" are always Democrats in their minds.

 

[killer b]

are there actually people in the states talking in those terms, 'useless eaters'?

 

[petee]

are there actually people in the states talking in those terms, 'useless eaters'?

during the coronavirus there were rightwingers preaching that the old and infirm should just die, so that the economy can be left to the healthier types.
literally.

 

[8ball]

during the coronavirus there were rightwingers preaching that the old and infirm should just die, so that the economy can be left to the healthier types.
literally.

Yep, I remember that.

 

[killer b]

I remember that too, there was people making similar arguments over here too. In the pages of the telegraph or the spectator IIRC.

'useless eaters' though?

 

[Yuwipi Woman]

during the coronavirus there were rightwingers preaching that the old and infirm should just die, so that the economy can be left to the healthier types.
literally.

I'm sure there's better video out there, but here's an example:

 

[killer b]

I'm sure there's better video out there, but here's an example:

he isn't arguing here that old people are useless eaters though is he? or anything like that - I had older friends here who were saying similar things to that guy - I've had my life, I'm willing to risk death or serious illness so my grandkids can get on with theirs. It's a pretty misguided opinion, but it's a long way from 'useless eaters'

 

[hitmouse]

but they were picked to go into it because they were trumpers. they only showed backbone once they got involved in the nitty-gritty. the ones replacing them are trumpers who, when they get into the nitty-gritty ...

i'm not unconcerned mind, but the next election is the democrats' to lose. they won in 2016 (they did), won by the biggest margin ever in 2020, and if they get the messaging right etc. in 2024 it should be no contest. they've won the vote in every presidential election since 1992.

2004?

 

[petee]

2004?

except that one.

 

[Dogsauce]

during the coronavirus there were rightwingers preaching that the old and infirm should just die, so that the economy can be left to the healthier types.
literally.

There was also some joy that it was eating through the poor/black populations in cities during the first wave, lots of smug bar charts showing how it had barely touched Florida, or how ‘red states’ were much better off than ‘blue‘ ones. That situation has now reversed, and plenty of gloating in the other direction as chubby racists expire across the flyover states. Culture war bullshit all the way.

and yet many of the very public vaccine mandate sceptics (fox TV types etc.) warbling on about freedom are fully inoculated, they’re not thick, they know exactly what they’re doing.

 

[petee]

and yet many of the very public vaccine mandate sceptics (fox TV types etc.) warbling on about freedom are fully inoculated, they’re not thick, they know exactly what they’re doing.

you'd think the other side (vaxxers, democrats, sane people, whatever) would be making something of that. the billboards in AL or FL or TX would write themselves.

"tucker got the vaccine. shouldn't you?"

 

[Dogsauce]

you'd think the other side (vaxxers, democrats, sane people, whatever) would be making something of that. the billboards in AL or FL or TX would write themselves.

"tucker got the vaccine. shouldn't you?"

I think some on the left are happy with a bit of attrition of the red vote, not sure they’re fully aware of the game being played, how the right just can’t let Biden be victorious over Covid and would sooner the virus prospers even at the expense of their voters.

 

[Yuwipi Woman]

There was also some joy that it was eating through the poor/black populations in cities during the first wave, lots of smug bar charts showing how it had barely touched Florida, or how ‘red states’ were much better off than ‘blue‘ ones. That situation has now reversed, and plenty of gloating in the other direction as chubby racists expire across the flyover states. Culture war bullshit all the way.

and yet many of the very public vaccine mandate sceptics (fox TV types etc.) warbling on about freedom are fully inoculated, they’re not thick, they know exactly what they’re doing.

This is the original article about decisions the Trump administration made about ventilators and PPE supplies from Vanity Fair:

Most troubling of all, perhaps, was a sentiment the expert said a member of Kushner’s team expressed: that because the virus had hit blue states hardest, a national plan was unnecessary and would not make sense politically. “The political folks believed that because it was going to be relegated to Democratic states, that they could blame those governors, and that would be an effective political strategy,” said the expert.

That logic may have swayed Kushner. “It was very clear that Jared was ultimately the decision maker as to what [plan] was going to come out,” the expert said.

In her statement, McEnany said, “The article is completely incorrect in its assertion that any plan was stopped for political or other reasons. Our testing strategy has one goal in mind—delivering for the American people—and is being executed and modified daily to incorporate new facts on the ground.”

On April 27, Trump stepped to a podium in the Rose Garden, flanked by members of his coronavirus task force and leaders of America’s big commercial testing laboratories, Quest Diagnostics and LabCorp, and finally announced a testing plan: It bore almost no resemblance to the one that had been forged in late March, and shifted the problem of diagnostic testing almost entirely to individual states.

Under the plan released that day, the federal government would act as a facilitator to help increase needed supplies and rapidly approve new versions of diagnostic-testing kits. But the bulk of the effort to operate testing sites and find available labs fell to the states.

“I had this naive optimism: This is too important to be caught in a partisan filter of how we view truth and the world,” said Rick Klausner, a Rockefeller Foundation adviser and former director of the National Cancer Institute. “But the federal government has decided to abrogate responsibility, and basically throw 50 states onto their own.”

How Jared Kushner’s Secret Testing Plan “Went Poof Into Thin Air”

This spring, a team working under the president’s son-in-law produced a plan for an aggressive, coordinated national COVID-19 response that could have brought the pandemic under control. So why did the White House spike it in favor of a shambolic 50-state response?

www.vanityfair.com

They ditched a workable plan for testing that would have limited deaths from Covid and choose not to because they felt they could blame Democratic governors.

 

[Yuwipi Woman]

There was also some joy that it was eating through the poor/black populations in cities during the first wave, lots of smug bar charts showing how it had barely touched Florida, or how ‘red states’ were much better off than ‘blue‘ ones. That situation has now reversed, and plenty of gloating in the other direction as chubby racists expire across the flyover states. Culture war bullshit all the way.

and yet many of the very public vaccine mandate sceptics (fox TV types etc.) warbling on about freedom are fully inoculated, they’re not thick, they know exactly what they’re doing.

Fox News’ utter hypocrisy on COVID-19 health policies was on full display Wednesday morning. In a segment of Fox & Friends hyping the threat of job walkouts from the supposed tyranny of vaccination and mask requirements, the hosts briefly admitted that Fox News itself has enacted these exact mandates.

This is, of course, the network that undermined vaccines nearly every day over a six-month period and has sought to turn vaccine resisters into culture war heroes. But those resisters out there would have a hard time getting jobs at Fox — and Fox’s own on-air commentators are in no rush to join the resisters in the ranks of the unemployed.

Co-host Brian Kilmeade pointed out that the Fox News control room staffers were all wearing masks, to which co-host Ainsley Earhardt added, “Yeah, they have to wear masks, because they’re very close to one another.”

Co-host Steve Doocy then explained on the air what has already been reported elsewhere: Fox News has a policy for its own workforce of requiring vaccination or daily COVID-19 testing — which is even more stringent than anything the Biden administration has enacted.

Fox News hosts admit the network has a strict COVID-19 vaccine and testing policy — while they celebrate job walkouts over such mandates elsewhere

www.mediamatters.org

And, they're still doing it. I've been listening to some right-wing media just to hear what they have to say. If anything they've doubled down on the anti-vax messaging.

 

[NoXion]

By spreading antivax bullshit, they are helping significant numbers of their fellow Americans into an early grave. What's worse for them is it's the people "on their side" who are largely being affected now, it's Republican voters who are dying.

Yet I bet they still think of themselves as patriots. It's such a fucking alien mindset to me.

 

[Dogsauce]

By spreading antivax bullshit, they are helping significant numbers of their fellow Americans into an early grave. What's worse for them is it's the people "on their side" who are largely being affected now, it's Republican voters who are dying.

Yet I bet they still think of themselves as patriots. It's such a fucking alien mindset to me.

As mentioned above, they’re so unwilling to let Biden claim victory over the virus and get political credit for it that they’ll sacrifice their own to keep it rolling along.

 

[petee]

 

[petee]

fucking appalling

 

[Sasaferrato]

are there actually people in the states talking in those terms, 'useless eaters'?

Went well for the last lot that used that phrase.

 

[Sasaferrato]

I'm sure there's better video out there, but here's an example:

He can fuck off, fuck off some more, keep fucking off until he gets back here, then fuck off again.

This grandfather has no wish for a premature demise!

 

[Dogsauce]

I'm sure there's better video out there, but here's an example:

Tucker Carlson’s fake ‘concerned frown’ must rate as one of the world’s most punchable faces, although I think a good thwack with a scaffold plank would be more satisfying.

 

[Dogsauce]

This is the original article about decisions the Trump administration made about ventilators and PPE supplies from Vanity Fair:

How Jared Kushner’s Secret Testing Plan “Went Poof Into Thin Air”

This spring, a team working under the president’s son-in-law produced a plan for an aggressive, coordinated national COVID-19 response that could have brought the pandemic under control. So why did the White House spike it in favor of a shambolic 50-state response?

www.vanityfair.com

They ditched a workable plan for testing that would have limited deaths from Covid and choose not to because they felt they could blame Democratic governors.

This is one of the memes they were circulating earlier in the pandemic when they were able to spin it to their advantage. Note the wording ‘responsible’.

 

[8ball]

Went well for the last lot that used that phrase.

Yeah, didn’t pan out for my second last punk band but thanks for the name check.

 

[petee]

his time is up

 

[Nylock]

trump while a sitting president got whomped in the last election. i don't know why anyone thinks he's getting in again. the rightwing goon tactics are working on the level of school boards and such but they're not the electoral college, and the recount tactics have failed every time, even when led by republicans.

These cunts are also in the state legislatures and sentates... If the redistricting and general legislative fuckery at the state level succeeds, these arseholes won't need to go through the charade that marked the aftermath of the 2020 GE... Majority of actual votes or not...

Tucker Carlson’s fake ‘concerned frown’ must rate as one of the world’s most punchable faces, although I think a good thwack with a scaffold plank would be more satisfying.

John Oliver's description of that insufferable facial expression is pretty spot on: