Joe Biden's time is up

[SysOut]

The more progressive option has always been a diversionary tool for the ruling class

It is anarchy that has always been the diversion. It, together with the trots, are the main reason why the leftist movements in the west were either state approved or seen to be totally harmless.
Anarchists, above all, have no idea of self-criticism.

Hey, what went wrong in the Paris Commune? You know how many were killed?

 

[SysOut]

The greatest anti-fascists were communists. Not anarchists.
Do you know how much Philby achieved against fascism - and after WW2?

 

[AmateurAgitator]

As we've gone over to a new page I'll post this again -

How ironic that your supposed pragmatism has led us to this sorry state of affairs. How ironic that your lame-arse liberal narrative of practicality and gradualism has led us to the brink of fascism. You think voting will help us now? You think the poverty and bigotry will disappear if you get your way at elections? We’re in deep shit and your liberal tactics that helped us get here ain’t gonna save us now!

Imagine if we put the same amount of belief and effort into calling for a general strike as we do into calling for people to vote a certain way. Imagine the elevation and expansions of our goals. Imagine the reforms we might gain. Imagine the boost to working-class power and the damage to ruling-class power. Have a successful general strike and we really will move closer to revolution, closer to socialism. It would be infinitely more beneficial to our aims than the election of even the best of the progressive politicians you liberals love to wank off over!

 

[Yuwipi Woman]

Ofcourse you did, coz you are sectarian, blinkered and dogmatic. You probably have much more in common with the fascists you claim to oppose.

It's things like this that make people think you are either: a) a troll, b) a 14-year old, posting from his mom's basement, c) someone who has read a lot of theory, but really hasn't had to live on their own in the real world, or d) some combination of the above.

 

[AmateurAgitator]

It is anarchy that has always been the diversion. It, together with the trots, are the main reason why the leftist movements in the west were either state approved or seen to be totally harmless.
Anarchists, above all, have no idea of self-criticism.

Hey, what went wrong in the Paris Commune? You know how many were killed?

Lessons can be learned from the Paris commune and it wasn't anarchist anyway.

 

[AmateurAgitator]

It's things like this that make people think you are either: a) a troll, b) a 14-year old, posting from his mom's basement, c) someone who has read a lot of theory, but really hasn't had to live on their own in the real world, or d) some combination of the above.

Fuck off you smug, pompous liberal prick.

 

[Ax^]

this should be fun by the end of the weekend

 

[Yuwipi Woman]

Fuck off you smug, pompous liberal prick.

I refer you back to your own posts for examples of smug prickdom. If you changed your posting style, you'd probably get better responses and interest in your "ideas."

 

[AmateurAgitator]

The greatest anti-fascists were communists. Not anarchists.
Do you know how much Philby achieved against fascism - and after WW2?

Yeah the Molotov-Ribbentrop pact was sooo 'anti-fascist' lol, as was the behaviour of the 'communists' during the Spanish civil war

 

[AmateurAgitator]

I refer you back to your own posts for examples of smug prickdom. If you changed your posting style, you'd probably get better responses and interest in your "ideas."

What else should I call you? Talks like a smug, pompous prick, acts like a smug, pompous prick… yep, you’re a fucking liberal.

 

[Yuwipi Woman]

this should be fun by the end of the weekend

Urban hasn't had this much fresh meat since the days of Diesel and PBman.

 

[AmateurAgitator]

Urban hasn't had this much fresh meat since the days of Diesel and PBman.

You're a statist bootlicking, reactionary lib and nothing more.

 

[Yuwipi Woman]

What else should I call you? Talks like a smug, pompous prick, acts like a smug, pompous prick… yep, you’re a fucking liberal.

I do not value your opinions on anything else, why would I value your opinion of me personally? Go home little boy, your mama's calling.

 

[AmateurAgitator]

I do not value your opinions on anything else

I really don't give a shit

 

[AmateurAgitator]

It's things like this that make people think you are either: a) a troll, b) a 14-year old, posting from his mom's basement, c) someone who has read a lot of theory, but really hasn't had to live on their own in the real world, or d) some combination of the above.

Just another smug, pompous lib who can't successfully counter what I'm saying so they have to resort to getting personal and insulting lol.

 

[AmateurAgitator]

Think I'll just repeat this post aswell, especially as no one has been able to challenge it at all -


I would just like to say that I understand the electoralist perspective, though I don't agree with it. And if you completely abstract the electoralist perspective from history then it does makes sense. And I guess electoralists and liberals are not gonna understand where I'm coming from coz they're nowhere near as libertarian as me. Philosophically I just totally abhore the idea of anyone being in charge of anyone else so I couldn't possibly participate in any system on that level and give such a thing legitimacy in that way. But I don't think you need to be that way to decide not to do it. Because the truth is that what electoralists won't do is accept that representative democracy has landed us where we are now. That whole process, that whole idea, is in a large part what has created the problems that we have. You can't cure the problems of representative democracy with representative democracy, just like ethical companies - you can't cure the problems of capitalism with more capitalism. This is very basic but electoralists refuse to look at it and try to understand it.


The overton window was mentioned previously. All this 'lesser of two evils' shit has done has shifted everything in the centre to a rightward direction, thats all its ever done. As Hunter S Thompson pointed out, this is a phenomena that goes back to the 1960's - whatever happens we've just gotta keep Nixon out. Its always been that sort of thing, its always been - this is our last chance, this is the most important election ever, its the most important thing that we keep a certain person out. Its never really that we get a certain person in, although Jeremy Corbyn in the UK was an anolmaly in that regard - the 'we must get Corbyn in' stance - normally its - we must keep someone out of power. Its such a negative game really. And if all this 'lesser of two evils' schtick is so successful, how did we end up with Donald Trump and Boris Johnson and all the other populist nationalist arseholes in power? And one of the arguments is that it makes it easier for governments to do more left wing policies in power - its never really been that way, its always been the opposite way. And its gone on and on until we end up with someone like Trump in power (whose not a fascist but certainly borderline), so where was the 'lesser of two evils' in all that and why is everything shifting evermore rightwards instead of leftwards?

 

[Ax^]

Politics is the art of controlling your environment. That is one of the key things I learned in these years, and I learned it the hard way. Anybody who thinks that ‘it doesn’t matter who’s President’ has never been Drafted and sent off to fight and die in a vicious, stupid War on the other side of the World — or been beaten and gassed by Police for trespassing on public property — or been hounded by the IRS for purely political reasons — or locked up in the Cook County Jail with a broken nose and no phone access and twelve perverts wanting to stomp your ass in the shower. That is when it matters who is President or Governor or Police Chief. That is when you will wish you had voted.


quote by Hunter S Thompson

 

[Ax^]

when the last time you did any direct action AmateurAgitator?

 

[AmateurAgitator]

Politics is the art of controlling your environment. That is one of the key things I learned in these years, and I learned it the hard way. Anybody who thinks that ‘it doesn’t matter who’s President’ has never been Drafted and sent off to fight and die in a vicious, stupid War on the other side of the World — or been beaten and gassed by Police for trespassing on public property — or been hounded by the IRS for purely political reasons — or locked up in the Cook County Jail with a broken nose and no phone access and twelve perverts wanting to stomp your ass in the shower. That is when it matters who is President or Governor or Police Chief. That is when you will wish you had voted.


quote by Hunter S Thompson

Pathetic

 

[AmateurAgitator]

when the last time you did any direct action AmateurAgitator?

None of your beeswax

 

[SysOut]

Yeah the Molotov-Ribbentrop pact was sooo 'anti-fascist' lol.

You have learned your masters version of history very well, child of capitalism.

Do you know the background, (1920, 1935, 1938) why it was necessary and why it succeeded - and achieved far more than anarchism has ever achieved?
The west did not fight fascism - nor Nazism. If you disagree, agrue with Churchill - read his speech in 1938 to the Tories in which he explicitly reassured the Tories it was NOT against Fascism, but against Germany - "Balance of Power" - unfinished business...

The opinion you expressed is the official opinion of the western states, those that created Mussolini, intentionally supported Franco by isolating the Republican government and who, of course, did support Hitler with the intention that he should "go East" (Russia), but the USA had other plans.. first. Russia could wait. So the overrode Chamberlain (both Austen and Neville)
Well done.
You agree with your masters.

Do you know that communism is anarchism ????
Do you know that you have adopted the vocabulary of your masters ?
Oh dear.

Btw - do you know what Philby did?

Probably not - because he didn't go running around in the street protesting to the government like a child protesting to its parents.
Yes, anarchists (Occupy) in Germany protested that the police weren't respecting the constitution (i.e. they thought the state should have protected them)

Philby scuttled singlehanded an MI6 backed fascist overthrow in Albania.

After the war. Yes, the west continued to back fascism, of course.

Now go back and think about the remark you wrote about the Ribbentrop-Molotov pact. (and 1920). And generally the politics of the Baltic states.. including Finland and Sweden.. in that era.

 

[Cid]

As we've gone over to a new page I'll post this again -

How ironic that your supposed pragmatism has led us to this sorry state of affairs. How ironic that your lame-arse liberal narrative of practicality and gradualism has led us to the brink of fascism. You think voting will help us now? You think the poverty and bigotry will disappear if you get your way at elections? We’re in deep shit and your liberal tactics that helped us get here ain’t gonna save us now!

Imagine if we put the same amount of belief and effort into calling for a general strike as we do into calling for people to vote a certain way. Imagine the elevation and expansions of our goals. Imagine the reforms we might gain. Imagine the boost to working-class power and the damage to ruling-class power. Have a successful general strike and we really will move closer to revolution, closer to socialism. It would be infinitely more beneficial to our aims than the election of even the best of the progressive politicians you liberals love to wank off over!

This would be fair if you were a committed activist talking to keyboard warrior liberals. As it is I suspect it's more a case of a keyboard warrior anarchist talking to committed activists.

 

[AmateurAgitator]

You people really are ridiculous idiots.

Entertaining though.

 

[Ax^]

says the guy who had to google statist to retort

tell us again how the suffragette struggles adds weight to your ideals about not voting

ya fucking halfwit

 

[AmateurAgitator]

We've actaully had an attempted justification for the Molotov-Ribbentrop pact and its been voted up by Ax and petee. Amazing.

What impressive 'anti-fascists' you folks are.

 

[Ax^]

hmm and we are all still wondering if a lass got a meal after trump lost

 

[AmateurAgitator]

tell us again how the suffragette struggles adds weight to your ideals about not voting

People got sufferage through direct action, not something I would struggle for but it does back up what I'm saying about effective struggle and action.

How could you not notice this? Its obvious.

 

[Ax^]

this from the guy who does not vote and wants to defend his opinion about not voting

you brought up the suffragettes but don't understand their position

similar to a half wit coming onto a thread about Biden who beat Trump

because Donald was dumb enough to tell his base not to postal vote

you are a fucking half wit troll who does not understand the argument that you are suggesting

 

[AmateurAgitator]

You have learned your masters version of history very well, child of capitalism.

Do you know the background, (1920, 1935, 1938) why it was necessary and why it succeeded - and achieved far more than anarchism has ever achieved?
The west did not fight fascism - nor Nazism. If you disagree, agrue with Churchill - read his speech in 1938 to the Tories in which he explicitly reassured the Tories it was NOT against Fascism, but against Germany - "Balance of Power" - unfinished business...

The opinion you expressed is the official opinion of the western states, those that created Mussolini, intentionally supported Franco by isolating the Republican government and who, of course, did support Hitler with the intention that he should "go East" (Russia), but the USA had other plans.. first. Russia could wait. So the overrode Chamberlain (both Austen and Neville)
Well done.
You agree with your masters.

I'm well aware about WW2 and fascism and Churchill and the interests of the British Empire and all that. I don't know why you think I don't. This is dumb.

Btw there are different types of anarchism, not just the anarchist communist variety. More stupidity.

And Kim Philby helped the stalinist/red fascist cause in Albania - so what? What anarchists and peasants achieved in Spain and elsewhere was of much more value.

And why you think some Occupy people are representative of the entire anarchist movement I really don't know, other than you're a bit of moron and a knob.

 

[AmateurAgitator]

this from the guy who does not vote and wants to defend his opinion about not voting

you brought up the suffragettes but don't understand their position

similar to a half wit coming onto a thread about Biden who beat Trump

because Donald was dumb enough to tell his base not to postal vote

you are a fucking half wit troll who does not understand the argument that you are suggesting

blah blah blah etc.

Fuck off you cretin.