Joe Biden's time is up

[Ax^]

tbf if you don't vote or even cannie be bother to drag yourself to a voting booth and draw a spunking cock
or don't get involved in protest or direct action

asking anyone to ascribe or even listen to your political opinion is a bit of a stretch

you are political disengaged even aside from your view point being bullshite


fuck off Amateur and have a wank in your mothers basement

 

[AmateurAgitator]

tbf if you don't vote or even cannie be bother to drag yourself to a voting booth and draw a spunking cock
or don't get involved in protest or direct action

asking anyone to ascribe or even listen to your political opinion is a bit of a stretch

you are political disengaged even aside from your view point being bullshite


fuck off Amateur and have a wank in your mothers basement

More stupid drivel

You think the Molotov-Ribbentrop was justified you dumb cunt. You're an apologist for Nazism.

 

[Ax^]

of course so tell us again, how the suffragette movement validates the reason for you not voting

 

[Ax^]

Can i suggest that you read or listen to something aside from joe rogan and fuck off AA

 

[AmateurAgitator]

of course so tell us again, how the suffragette movement validates the reason for you not voting

I don't see why I should have to keep repeating myself just because you don't get it and are incapable of countering any of the points I've been making.

 

[Ax^]

look dickhead go look up the main right the suffragette movement was fighting for and come back to me


i'll give you a week as you appear to be a slow reader

 

[Ax^]

got to love anyone who goes the suffragette movement was just in the uk as of why they are complete fuckwit with to start with

 

[SysOut]

People got sufferage through direct action, not something I would struggle for but it does back up what I'm saying about effective struggle and action.

How could you not notice this? Its obvious.

That really is a terrible simplification of what happened.
Nevertheless, the key point is that they were struggling for something which was not only attainable, but had already been attained in New Zealand. The struggle stopped during WW1. Afterwards men got the vote - in short, the situation had changed considerably - there was also the matter of socialism which focussed the mind of governments..

All of this, has nothing whatsoever to do with anarchist protests which expect the propertied classes to give up their power and wealth without a hard and bloody fight.

What did you say about the Paris Commune - that after all these years you have NOT done an analysis of what went wrong....

I'm sure someone from West Point could explain.

 

[AmateurAgitator]

You have learned your masters version of history very well, child of capitalism.

Do you know the background, (1920, 1935, 1938) why it was necessary and why it succeeded - and achieved far more than anarchism has ever achieved?

So basically you have tried to justify the Molotov-Ribbentrop pact which paved the way for World War Two (and I'm not saying the western capitalist powers were blameless), and by extention you have tried to justify -

The Nazi invasion of France, the invasion of Eastern Poland by the USSR, the forcing of Russian culture and language onto people such as the Belorussians and Ukrainians, the massacres , mass ghettosation, deportation and enslavement of Polish Jews, the Katyn massacre, the colonisation of Estonians, Latvians and of Finnish people, the executions of 22,000 Polish military officers and the mass arrests and executions of the Polish intelligensia - including Polish communists. All while the USSR sent aid to Nazi Germany. Infact the beginnings of the holocaust were enabled by the pact. It suited the USSR’s colonial and imperialist ambitions to make the pact with Hitler - and they enabled the Nazi’s war until the war reached the territory of the USSR.

Thats what the pact meant in practice. Thats what you are trying to justify. And Ax and petee agree with you.

Theres no two ways about it, you people are apologists for Nazism and Stalinism and their barbaric crimes.

 

[AmateurAgitator]

All of this, has nothing whatsoever to do with anarchist protests which expect the propertied classes to give up their power and wealth without a hard and bloody fight.

Absolutely not true and you'd have to be completely stupid to believe that. Jeezus christ

 

[AmateurAgitator]

go look up the main right the suffragette movement was fighting for and come back to me

It doesn't matter. What matters is how they gained what they were fighting for. For example, the Suffragettes are well known for utilising direct action - obviously.

 

[agricola]

So basically you have tried to justify the Molotov-Ribbentrop pact which paved the way for World War Two (and I'm not saying the western capitalist powers were blameless), and by extention you have tried to justify -

The Nazi invasion of France, the forcing of Russian culture and language onto people such as the Belorussians and Ukrainians, the massacres , mass ghettosation, deportation and enslavement of Polish jews, the Katyn massacre, the colonisation of Estonia and Latvia and the attempted colonisation of Finland, the executions of 22,000 Polish military officers and the mass arrests and executions of the Polish intelligensia - including Polish communists. All while the USSR sent aid to Nazi Germany. Infact the beginnings of the holocaust were enabled by the pact. It suited the USSR’s colonial and imperialist ambitions to make the pact with Hitler - and they enabled the Nazi’s war till the war reached Soviet territory.

Thats what the pact meant in practice. Thats what you are trying to justify. And Ax and petee agree with you.

Theres no two ways about it, you people are apologists for Nazism and Stalinism and their barbaric crimes.

er - it is a bit much to say it paved the way for WW2 when it came in a fortnight before it; not so much the pavement as the doorstep

 

[AmateurAgitator]

er - it is a bit much to say it paved the way for WW2 when it came in a fortnight before it; not so much the pavement as the doorstep

Fair enough but its still relevant to the start of the Second World War and the rest of what I posted is true.

 

[AmateurAgitator]

I kinda switched off when you mentioned you were a libertarian

Thats because you're the opposite of a libertarian ie. an authoritarian.

 

[Humberto]

As we've gone over to a new page I'll post this again -

How ironic that your supposed pragmatism has led us to this sorry state of affairs. How ironic that your lame-arse liberal narrative of practicality and gradualism has led us to the brink of fascism. You think voting will help us now? You think the poverty and bigotry will disappear if you get your way at elections? We’re in deep shit and your liberal tactics that helped us get here ain’t gonna save us now!

Imagine if we put the same amount of belief and effort into calling for a general strike as we do into calling for people to vote a certain way. Imagine the elevation and expansions of our goals. Imagine the reforms we might gain. Imagine the boost to working-class power and the damage to ruling-class power. Have a successful general strike and we really will move closer to revolution, closer to socialism. It would be infinitely more beneficial to our aims than the election of even the best of the progressive politicians you liberals love to wank off over!

The conditions and the moment for strikes have to be there, which they are now in the UK, as we see. But to say 'practicality and gradualism' has led us to the brink of fascism is another thing. I would say it is as much the rise of the relentless ideological Libertarian-driven assault on anything standing in its way. And the laissez-faire attitude to addressing the deepening global crises, many of which they are causing. Spending their billions to undermine any dissent through misinformation, manipulation and attacks on any apparent opposition, or potential opposition (e.g. societal atomisation). All by conscious design. But they have to cover that up, to 'soften' it for those who are oppressed through offering sops like personality politics, outright lying and denial of reality, and division and polarisation. Alongside the contempt that the ruling class have always have had for the workers, they also now see it as both right and good to take the concessions and reforms that the working class had won. Now the extremely rich need not trouble themselves with any pretence of conscience (amongst themselves at least) and can make themselves extremely rich (at our expense) to absurd levels.

 

[Serge Forward]

The greatest anti-fascists were communists. Not anarchists.

 

[SysOut]

And this was the cause of it.



But some so-called Lefites seem to have had a memory wipe.
Which country was the only country in the world to fight the fascists in Spain?
But Chamberlain supported the Fascists.

By the time of the Non-aggression pact, the USSR was completely isolated - the onl;y country that had tried to form a pact against the Nazis - but Chamberlain refused.

So Serge Forward you really hate the only leader, the only country and the only political group that actually effectively fought against the fascists and from 1935 on tried to get an alliance against them - with France agreeing, on condition tha the UK agreed.

Oh what a toady! And look where we are now. The "left" movement in the west ceased to exist in the west after WW2.

Tell us Scab Serge Forward , which country, leader and political group were then, in your opinion, the best and most effective anti-fascists?

You understand nothing about the events that led to WW2 and the rise of fascism - your childish posting of that photo shows your mental age.

You should be working for the Daily Mail - which was, then, a pro-fascist paper.

Are you a fascist? Pretending to be "worker friendly" was what the NAZIs also did - you do know what NSDAP stands for?

No, you're just an arrogant grunt.
You have to be to pull such childish cheap shots as that.

 

[SysOut]

For Serge Forward Who apparently hates successful antifascists.
A true child of the BBC and Daily Mail.

 

[SysOut]

Munich Agreement September 1938

 

[Raheem]

Well, my faith in Chamberlain has certainly been shaken by these revelations.

 

[Jeff Robinson]

This thread has turned into some classic vintage Urban shit.

The Stalin Society vs Chipping Sodbury Anarchist Youth Club.

Can’t wait for round two!

 

[Jeff Robinson]

Biden’s polling is at an all time high as he discovers his iron pace maker. Uncle Joe should call for show trials against the fascist wreckers in the Manchin/Sinema clique and get Alito and Thomas thrown off the top of Mount Rushmore. That would send his approval ratings through the roof!

 

[two sheds]

That just shows you up for the thuggish jack booted quisling turncoat that you are

 

[Ax^]

tbf someone remarking "i don't want to vote just like the suffragette's" was a high point of the thread

 

[AmateurAgitator]

tbf someone remarking "i don't want to vote just like the suffragette's" was a high point of the thread

You're a fantasist coz no one said anything like that.

 

[Serge Forward]

And this was the cause of it.


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But some so-called Lefites seem to have had a memory wipe.
Which country was the only country in the world to fight the fascists in Spain?
But Chamberlain supported the Fascists.

By the time of the Non-aggression pact, the USSR was completely isolated - the onl;y country that had tried to form a pact against the Nazis - but Chamberlain refused.

So Serge Forward you really hate the only leader, the only country and the only political group that actually effectively fought against the fascists and from 1935 on tried to get an alliance against them - with France agreeing, on condition tha the UK agreed.

Oh what a toady! And look where we are now. The "left" movement in the west ceased to exist in the west after WW2.

Tell us Scab Serge Forward , which country, leader and political group were then, in your opinion, the best and most effective anti-fascists?

You understand nothing about the events that led to WW2 and the rise of fascism - your childish posting of that photo shows your mental age.

You should be working for the Daily Mail - which was, then, a pro-fascist paper.

Are you a fascist? Pretending to be "worker friendly" was what the NAZIs also did - you do know what NSDAP stands for?

No, you're just an arrogant grunt.
You have to be to pull such childish cheap shots as that.

Ouch. Did I touch a nerve with my "cheap shot"? You're truly a proper little tankie cosplayer. Well done. As for your tirade of insults, which included scab, fascist, Daily Mail reader, arrogant grunt and (horror of horrors) Neville Chamberlin fan... er... just wow.

 

[AmateurAgitator]

And this was the cause of it.


View attachment 339943
But some so-called Lefites seem to have had a memory wipe.
Which country was the only country in the world to fight the fascists in Spain?
But Chamberlain supported the Fascists.

By the time of the Non-aggression pact, the USSR was completely isolated - the onl;y country that had tried to form a pact against the Nazis - but Chamberlain refused.

So Serge Forward you really hate the only leader, the only country and the only political group that actually effectively fought against the fascists and from 1935 on tried to get an alliance against them - with France agreeing, on condition tha the UK agreed.

Oh what a toady! And look where we are now. The "left" movement in the west ceased to exist in the west after WW2.

Tell us Scab Serge Forward , which country, leader and political group were then, in your opinion, the best and most effective anti-fascists?

Two wrongs don't make a right and do not excuse collaboration with Nazism and fascism and all that entailed. Funny you should mention Spain, your precious Stalinists betrayed the antifascist cause and attacked the revolutionry forces in Spain. The Stalinists wouldn't support the revolution and undermined it along with the Republican government, just what Stalin and Franco wanted.

I know you think you're really smart but you're really just a red fascist/Naz Bol idiot.

 

[LDC]

This thread has gone very weird and slightly depressing tbh.

 

[AmateurAgitator]

Frankly these forums are a fucking dumpster fire. People are incapable of having proper, good faith discussions and just resort to insults instead of properly engaging just because you post something they don't agree with and coz they can't back up what they're saying or counter what you're saying. Then you have actual apologetics for the murderous crimes of totalitarian regimes and its not only allowed but approved of.

 

[LDC]

Frankly this whole site is a fucking dumpster fire

Well, there's an easy answer to that isn't there? TBH as an anarchist some of your spewings forth on here are a fucking embarrassment.