Jeremy Corbyn's time is up

[quimcunx]

When I was a student Soas bar was a good place to score, and after the week he's had I wouldn't blame him...

Only if he can get through that door the beardy guy was having so much trouble with.

 

[Pickman's model]

So what would be most likely/best/most entertaining way to break the stalemate?

Blackadder style one of the traitors ascends from the trenches to certain doom?
Corbyn cannae take any more. Nervous exhaustion takes over and he resigns?
Newsnight contacted 50 CLPs and 45 still back Corbyn. The CLPs conduct votes of no confidence against their traitor MPs. They finally feel shame?
A Corbyn supporter launches a leadership bid. No traitors put themselves up and the supporter pulls out on the morning of the election in favour of Corbyn? *nomination issues with this*
A Corbyn supporter launches a leadership bid and the traitors put up their own candidate thinking the left vote will be split and they will win. *and this*
Dragons?
Wildfire?

All the anti-corbs think they're general hogmanay melchett

 

[dendrite]

Not making a literal point tho. Half tongue in cheek and half that is a problem though.

We know he can make a wholesome speech to the young. I don't disagree with any of what he is saying. It's not enough though, this greatest hits set.

Yes, and he's coming accross tetchily and exhausted...but jesus christ, it's a miracle he's functioning at this level after the general bile, mass defections of people he presumably at least attempted to trust, and, as Abbot describes...

But the climax of all this was Monday’s parliamentary Labour party (PLP) meeting. MP after MP got up to attack Jeremy Corbyn in the most contemptuous terms possible, pausing only to text their abuse to journalists waiting outside. A non-Corbynista MP told me afterwards that he had never seen anything so horrible and he had felt himself reduced to tears. Nobody talked about Jeremy Corbyn’s politics. There was only one intention: to break him as a man.

Isn't it enough for today that he was the one who drew a crowd instead of simpering at journalists like Watson, or trying to grab power by hiding from media attention like Eagle, that he was the only one talking politics, and entirely lucidly.

 

[gosub]

Pi Media | UCL @pi_media

Periscope of the Corbyn rally

 

[FabricLiveBaby!]

Angela Eagle... voted for Iraq war and against the Chilcot inquiry.



...

Finished before she started.

 

[maomao]

When I was a student Soas bar was a good place to score, and after the week he's had I wouldn't blame him...

They shut that shit down about 14 years ago due to everyone going there to score. And all the weed smoke coming upstairs and getting the receptionists high.

 

[gawkrodger]

I assume there's no way Corbyn can trigger a leadership election himself?

 

[SpookyFrank]

So if Corbyn sees off the immediate threat of a new leadership election what is his next move?

Revising his christmas card list?

 

[SpookyFrank]

I assume there's no way Corbyn can trigger a leadership election himself?

It's probably never come up before.

 

[SpookyFrank]

Re: Brexit. Labour supporters voted leave/remain in the same %s as SNP. No one is saying Nicola Sturgeon failed them.

None of these Labour MPs think Corbyn has failed them. Most of them worked under Ed Miliband, so they know what failure looks like.

 

[weltweit]

I assume there's no way Corbyn can trigger a leadership election himself?

By standing down probably. Prob not what you meant though.
I know it was a different party but didn't Major call a leadership election in which he stood and won?

 

[FabricLiveBaby!]

Oh... She also voted for Tuition fees and abstained on the welfare bill. And for Syria. Is this the best Labour can do. Double Lol.

They are finished

 

[Pickman's model]

Oh... She also voted for Tuition fees and abstained on the welfare bill. And for Syria. Is this the best Labour can do. Double Lol.

They are finished

 

[nino_savatte]

Powerbase is your friend. Know your enemy.
Portland PR - Powerbase

 

[redsquirrel]

Quite frankly Corbyn should have demanded a leadership election before the confidence vote.

He did, he's said from the start that if they want to remove him as leader then they should out up a challenger

I assume there's no way Corbyn can trigger a leadership election himself?

He could resign and then stand for re-election I suppose.

 

[a_chap]

Nobody told me there'd be days like these.



Strange days indeed.

Most peculiar Momma

 

[Pickman's model]

Nobody told me there'd be days like these.



Strange days indeed.

Most peculiar Momma

 

[Orang Utan]

you can prove anything with songs

 

[a_chap]

Oh yeah?

Prove it.

 

[Mr.Bishie]

Nuff said

 

[Fozzie Bear]

 

[ViolentPanda]

You think that's beautiful, just wait till you yourself can finger-paint with the red-flecked grey bits from inside Tristram Hunt.

That's given me the horn.

 

[agricola]

I assume there's no way Corbyn can trigger a leadership election himself?

Others would know better but wouldn't that mean that he would be less likely to be on the ballot? I seem to recall reading somewhere that it is only when there is a vacancy that all the candidates need to get a certain number of MPs, if he resigned and created one that might apply to him.

 

[Orang Utan]

Oh yeah?

Prove it.

The UK sings Nirvana's I Hate Myself And I Wanna Die

 

[free spirit]

This is turning into a battle of mainstream media vs social media.

Corbyn's team are hammering facebook and claiming a page reach of 5 million last week for the Jeremy Corbyn for PM page, with 480,000 interactions with posts in the week.

Fuck knows how they're doing it, making 90 posts in a week on a semi official campaigning platform is an incredible rate of posting.

And they've been at it pretty solidly all the way through from his election campaign onwards.

This is a huge part of how they've managed to keep building the membership and support base despite the media and PLP attacks.

 

[Fez909]

Oh... She also voted for Tuition fees and abstained on the welfare bill. And for Syria. Is this the best Labour can do. Double Lol.

They are finished

She's not the real candidate. She's just the trigger for the challenge.

Others would know better but wouldn't that mean that he would be less likely to be on the ballot? I seem to recall reading somewhere that it is only when there is a vacancy that all the candidates need to get a certain number of MPs, if he resigned and created one that might apply to him.

Yep, if he resigns he needs nominating to be on the ballot.

 

[magneze]

Interesting Tom Watson quote.

"They are a team and they have decided they are going to tough it out. It looks like the Labour Party is heading for some form of contested election... I think that is where it is heading."

Is the word 'contested' significant?

 

[ViolentPanda]

They could call themselves the TB Dons.

They can call themselves what they like. All they'll ever be is snivelling shits.

 

[Puddy_Tat]

I assume there's no way Corbyn can trigger a leadership election himself?

I know it was a different party but didn't Major call a leadership election in which he stood and won?

He could resign and then stand for re-election I suppose.

Yes - that's what John Major did.

The risk for JC would be that if he did resign and stand for re-election, he would definitely need to get nominations from X number of current MPs even to get on the ballot.

Depending on who you listen to, as incumbent leader he would not need this and would be automatically on the ballot unless he told them to stuff it.

 

[ViolentPanda]

Depends if you believe that the only possible choices for the Labour party are Corbyn and some Blairite looking to recreate 2006.

What other choices are there? By choices, I mean credible ones with a political hinterland, not political class scum like Hunt or Umunna.

I don't, and don't think Corbyn can deliver an election victory - or even a coalition - in 2020 or whenever the next election falls because of his personality/persona as well as his policy platform. I also don't believe that it is necessary for his social/economic policies - which I broadly like - to be mated to his defence/foreign/security policies, which to no one's surprise whatsoever, I consider so foolish, so harmful, that I couldn't consider voting Labour under his leadership despite his domestic/economic policies being something I've waited my whole adult life for.

Here's the thing, you're cutting off your nose to spite your undoubtedly wrinkly face.
It's not - necessarily - an issue of whether Corbyn can win an election, it's whether he can set the Labour Party back on a footing that makes the concerns of members and the masses the centrepiece of its policy-making, rather than the desires of corporations. If Corbyn can do that, then I suspect that he'd stand down before the 2020 election.

So many people bang on about Corbyn, but very few have read through his political record - as opposed to the headlines - and fewer still have grasped the essential truth that while he's interested in power, he's interested in it only from the perspective of "the people" holding and exercising it through properly-democratic mechanisms. If more people had studied his record, they wouldn't drone out a load of wank about his leadership or lack of it, and they wouldn't keep either under-estimating or misreading him.