Jeremy Corbyn's time is up

[Cid]

As what? One-off leadership election voters,sure.

As Labour stalwarts and socialists, though? That's something that current experience is only mildly reflecting.

A friend of mine keeps posting petitions, his rationale: 'enough petitions and they'll have to listen'. Thing is he's a sound enough guy and will get out on a protest given half a chance. Just a bit naive (by my standards, so by urban's still in nappies)... I suspect a lot of the clicktivists, given a bit of a kick and some direction, could be roped into more direct action. Just about getting the right people to communicate that, organise events etc.

 

[ViolentPanda]

I'm just chatting. I disagree with you. An amazing project, the grass roots revitalisation of the Labour Party. It could be nailing the Tories right now, but has a leader who is too dense to see his way round the PLP. Too inept to convince on the referendum.

I would prefer the Labour Party evolves not splinters. Not sexy I know.

Or conversely, the Labour Party has a leader who knows that what is key is consolidating that grassroots revitalisation through re-empowering the wider membership, rather than flattering the egos of the membership of the PLP.

 

[19force8]

Or conversely, the Labour Party has a leader who knows that what is key is consolidating that grassroots revitalisation through re-empowering the wider membership, rather than flattering the egos of the membership of the PLP.

Also, some of those egos would defy flattery.

 

[Puddy_Tat]

For anyone who thinks it is still worth trying but is thinking about walking away from the party, either in terms of leaving the party or giving up on being actively involved, it's worth bearing mind that the blairites would be more than happy for anyone who is working class and / or has any shred of left wing principles to bugger off...

 

[19force8]

I've no plans to walk away, but I must admit that if m'learned friends get called in to settle the rules for leadership elections is correct I might get so angry my brain would explode.

 

[J Ed]

This is not Labour MPs vs Corbyn. They’re at war with party members | Diane Abbott

All this was necessary because some Labour MPs expressly did not want any time to consult with ordinary party members. On the contrary they were terrified that their members might actually find out how they voted. Hence the haste and the secrecy. But the climax of all this was Monday’s parliamentary Labour party (PLP) meeting. MP after MP got up to attack Jeremy Corbyn in the most contemptuous terms possible, pausing only to text their abuse to journalists waiting outside. A non-Corbynista MP told me afterwards that he had never seen anything so horrible and he had felt himself reduced to tears. Nobody talked about Jeremy Corbyn’s politics. There was only one intention: to break him as a man.

Fuck these people.

 

[wtfftw]

I did email him the equivalent of a PM of support earlier this week

 

[Ole]

This is not Labour MPs vs Corbyn. They’re at war with party members | Diane Abbott



Fuck these people.

The headline is exactly right. At first glance it is certainly extremely ugly bullying, but look past that, and it is democracy they are holding in such utter contempt. Their sense of entitlement is absolutely breathtaking.

 

[happie chappie]

I feel so sorry for JC. He’s been shat upon from a great height. I’m not sure how he’s managed to keep going under this pressure. I think he’ll crack and step down for the good of his health. No job is worth putting that at risk.

I’m not sure McDonnell and Milne are doing him any favours by pushing him to carry on.

I was put forward to be promoted at work which would have meant that I would have taken a leadership role. I declined for a number of reason, not least that I honestly felt I didn’t have the required management skills. Not everyone is cut out for it. No shame in admitting it.

I think Corbyn was the right man but probably in the wrong job. Possibly a better Deputy (don’t ask me who a deputy to) freeing him to work with the grassroots of the party, which he obviously relishes, building and revitalising the organisation but out of the intense spotlight.

I’ve said on a previous thread some time ago that I thought he’d end up regretting taking the job on as he wasn’t prepared for the intense scrutiny and pressure he would come under. While I expected him to come in for a rough ride I never expected it to be anywhere as bad as this.

He was naive thinking he could introduce a new kind of gentler politics. It’s a brutal trade and always will be.

 

[redsquirrel]

Like every single resignation letter I've seen the above is empty liberal waffle, marked by the complete absence of any direct mention of politics. Of course that doesn't mean that it is empty of policy, that very absence of the explicit mention of politics speaks volumes.

It's an argument for the pro-austerity, neo-liberalism, 'we're nasty but slightly less nasty than the Tories' Labour party of the last 30 years.

 

[quimcunx]

And yet he's still there. He might want a gentler politics but he's pretty fucking tough to have stood his ground the past few days and months.

 

[Brixton Hatter]

Fair play to JC, that's pretty hardcore what he's had to take, he's like Batfink with his wings of steel, respect.

 

[agricola]

And yet he's still there. He might want a gentler politics but he's pretty fucking tough to have stood his ground the past few days and months.

He works in a building that has John Woodcock in it and a fast-flowing and deep river outside. He must have the patience of a saint.

 

[free spirit]

Not sure on the original source, but this is from left unity wigan and rings fairly true.

"OH ! WHAT A TANGLED WEB WE WEAVE WHEN FIRST WE PRACTICE TO DECEIVE".

It now emerges that Hilary Benn and Angela Eagle have been secretly briefing against Jeremy Corbyn for the last 9 months. They have constantly fed information to Laura Kuenssberg and the Murdoch press about pending coups and dissatisfaction in the Parliamentary Party. Apparently, they were planning to move against him on several occasions and 'chickened out'.

The debate on the RAF bombing intervention on Syria on the 2.12.15 was to be the preliminary opportunity for Benn to strike by speaking out against the Labour line (which he did to much Tory applause). This was to be followed up by a no confidence motion after the loss of the Oldham by-election which was confidently predicted by the Murdoch press. The plot fell apart when the Oldham by-election was won by Labour, with UKIP in second place and the Tories beaten into third.

Their next attempt was when Shadow Foreign Minister, Stephen Doughty, resigned on air during the BBC's Daily Politics programme on 7.1.16, just before Prime Ministers Questions. Kuenssberg had been briefed by the plotters beforehand and she had fed this information to David Cameron who announced it during PM's Questions to the surprise of the Labour benches. This plot to usurp Jeremy also fell apart.

All of Laura Kuenssberg's reports which began with 'a senior Labour spokesman told me....etc.' came from the offices of Benn and Eagle.

Kuenssberg was also informed about the present debacle. The conspirators had received news that Corbyn would suggest the impeachment of Tony Blair if the soon to be published Chilcott report on the Iraq war showed any basis of 'war crimes'. The conspirators decided they had to pre-empt this attack on Blair. It was agreed that Benn would initiate the attack on Corbyn. He awoke Corbyn in the early hours of Sunday morning 26.6.16 with a phone call to inform him of his intention to attack him publicly with a statement of his lack of confidence in his leadership. Corbyn had no option but to remove him from post.

The plan was then to organise a series of resignations with one being announced roughly every 2 hours to give the impression of a growing revolt. This was designed to keep it in the public eye and they would hopefully then encourage others not involved in the plot to join the bandwagon if they thought the ship was sinking.

Initially there were 10 Shadow cabinet members recruited, and Eagles was to be the last one to declare in order to separate any association between Benn and herself. She would make a tearful, on-line resignation speech underlining Jeremy's honesty and goodness but saying he had no leadership skills.

 

[JimW]

She was with Corbyn when they visited my work last month (? all fades together) to launch their conversation on modern workplaces. They seemed like bezzers!

 

[DaveCinzano]

Seems a bit odd to do it at 1am in the morning? What happened?

Not sure on the original source, but this is from left unity wigan and rings fairly true.

...The conspirators had received news that Corbyn would suggest the impeachment of Tony Blair if the soon to be published Chilcott report on the Iraq war showed any basis of 'war crimes'. The conspirators decided they had to pre-empt this attack on Blair. It was agreed that Benn would initiate the attack on Corbyn. He awoke Corbyn in the early hours of Sunday morning 26.6.16 with a phone call to inform him of his intention to attack him publicly with a statement of his lack of confidence in his leadership. Corbyn had no option but to remove him from post...

There y'go

 

[The39thStep]

I feel so sorry for JC. He’s been shat upon from a great height. I’m not sure how he’s managed to keep going under this pressure. I think he’ll crack and step down for the good of his health. No job is worth putting that at risk.

I’m not sure McDonnell and Milne are doing him any favours by pushing him to carry on.

I was put forward to be promoted at work which would have meant that I would have taken a leadership role. I declined for a number of reason, not least that I honestly felt I didn’t have the required management skills. Not everyone is cut out for it. No shame in admitting it.

I think Corbyn was the right man but probably in the wrong job. Possibly a better Deputy (don’t ask me who a deputy to) freeing him to work with the grassroots of the party, which he obviously relishes, building and revitalising the organisation but out of the intense spotlight.

I’ve said on a previous thread some time ago that I thought he’d end up regretting taking the job on as he wasn’t prepared for the intense scrutiny and pressure he would come under. While I expected him to come in for a rough ride I never expected it to be anywhere as bad as this.

He was naive thinking he could introduce a new kind of gentler politics. It’s a brutal trade and always will be.

Have you asked for any personal development or coaching to improve your management skills? It would be a mistake to think that it all just comes naturally or that people are naturally born with leadership.

 

[phildwyer]

I feel so sorry for JC. He’s been shat upon from a great height. I’m not sure how he’s managed to keep going under this pressure. I think he’ll crack and step down for the good of his health. No job is worth putting that at risk.

Corbyn's job is. He's not just doing it for himself. On him depends the welfare of millions of human beings. He knew that when he took the job, and so it's his responsibility to see it out, no matter what the cost to him personally.

But anyway, I wouldn't worry about him too much. You don't go through the last 40 years as a Socialist Public Figure without developing a pretty thick skin.

 

[Doctor Carrot]

I'm sure most of you are well aware of the media's role in all this but it's useful, I think, to read it all laid out in one summary piece provided by MediaLens:

Media Lens - Killing Corbyn

 

[Puddy_Tat]

It would be a mistake to think that it all just comes naturally or that people are naturally born with leadership.

and let's face it, a heck of a lot of managers clearly bloody weren't

 

[Ole]

I’m not sure McDonnell and Milne are doing him any favours by pushing him to carry on.

I don't believe for a second they're doing that. That's what the traitors want you to think, so that you lose your confidence, by believing that he's lost his own confidence. McDonnell is his closest friend and I believe, had his own health worries only a few years ago. He'll be encouraging him, not coercing him. He's been biting back at the Blairites this whole time which is obviously why they all hate him so much.

 

[Wilf]

I have a copy of the labour party rulebook here - I posted the relevant section upthread: as far as I can tell, there's no formal way of forcing deselections at this point, and maybe not at all in the event of an early election. I'm of the view that CLPs moving votes of no confidence in their MP would make it politically very difficult for them to stand with any legitimacy though, and there may be other routes available to the leadership - a Stalinist purge for example.

Existing MPs losing their seats to the Tories is a kind of deselection.

 

[Sue]

Corbyn has the Force* on his side.


Just catching up on all this now but (privately-educated) McrGregor has just gone up massively in my opinion.




(* I think McGregor played somebody in a Star Wars film, though I haven't seen it).

 

[Ground Elder]

Game over

 

[phildwyer]

I'm sure most of you are well aware of the media's role in all this but it's useful, I think, to read it all laid out in one summary piece provided by MediaLens:

Media Lens - Killing Corbyn

That's an excellent piece.

The one factor it omits to discuss is the forthcoming Chilcott report on the Iraq war. I wonder how many of the traitors expect to be personally implicated, and are afraid of prosecution if Corbyn is still in charge when it's published. Even if they're not afraid for themselves, they must surely be afraid for Blair, who seems quite likely to see the inside of a prison cell unless something drastic is done. That would really screw up his acolytes' place in history, by revealing that they had given their allegiance to a war criminal.

 

[Sue]

Not really, more like she's seeing the resignation wave and calls to quit and deciding that's curtains. Quite a lot of people are doing that while not feeling it's right. Most of the article is her bashing the Labour right for not understanding the need for a left leader.

I wouldn't want to sound completely ancient and retro but have the youth of today completely lost the concept of backbone?

(TBF maybe not just the youth of today.)

 

[phildwyer]

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You really couldn't make it up. Desperation.

 

[JimW]

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I googled that to check if it wasn't a joke and it seems like Titchmarsh actually likes his garden, but not his politics (surprise)

I think it’s wonderful – he looks a bit overgrown himself, it rather matches his beard,” said Mr Titchmarsh.

“I think it’s rather lovely that he letting it overflow with greenery.

“Please don’t discourage him, it’s about the only thing I agree on with Jeremy Corbyn.

“Although I suppose it wouldn’t hurt to tie those roses back."

 

[Doctor Carrot]

That's an excellent piece.

The one factor it omits to discuss is the forthcoming Chilcott report on the Iraq war. I wonder how many of the traitors expect to be personally implicated, and are afraid of prosecution if Corbyn is still in charge when it's published. Even if they're not afraid for themselves, they must surely be afraid for Blair, who seems quite likely to see the inside of a prison cell unless something drastic is done. That would really screw up his acolytes' place in history, by revealing that they had given their allegiance to a war criminal.

To be fair to it the article's job is purely to discuss the media's role in this and not the possible reasons for the coup as you're discussing. However, it is interesting to think of the breadth Chilcott will cover. Will the media's conduct in whipping up support for the war be condemned in it? If so then there's a mutual benefit to both Blairites and the media, particulaly the BBC, to get Corbyn out before Chilcott is published. Add to that the fact the BBC news is edited by a former Murdoch hack (as mentioned in the MediaLens piece) that relationship becomes more beneficial because both the BBC and Murdoch press were overall pro war.

This is speculation of course but not beyond the realms of possibility. Either way it really highlights the manner in which the powerful not only use the media to manipulate events but actively stacks it with its own people to do its bidding.

 

[treelover]

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I like Alan, is he sticking the boot in?