Jeremy Corbyn's time is up

[phildwyer]

To be fair to it the article's job is purely to discuss the media's role in this and not the possible reasons for the coup as you're discussing. However, it is interesting to think of the breadth Chilcott will cover. Will the media's conduct in whipping up support for the war be condemned in it? If so then there's a mutual benefit to both Blairites and the media, particulaly the BBC, to get Corbyn out before Chilcott is published. Add to that the fact the BBC news is edited by a former Murdoch hack (as mentioned in the MediaLens piece) that relationship becomes more beneficial because both the BBC and Murdoch press were overall pro war.

The media's propagandizing for the war was certainly despicable, but not actually criminal. The report might condemn them, but they won't care about that, they're some distance beyond shame. They'll just blame the politicians for lying to them. The politicians, however, have the very real prospect of prosecution to fear.

Having said that, they're all in it together finally. Most of the leading politicians and media commentators have known each other since public school. It is indeed pleasant to think that the report may condemn the entire corrupt crony cabal culture that they represent.

 

[squirrelp]

View attachment 89040 Game over

The state of Corbyn's garden is a scandal.

"Garden Gate"

 

[Wilf]

That's an excellent piece.

The one factor it omits to discuss is the forthcoming Chilcott report on the Iraq war. I wonder how many of the traitors expect to be personally implicated, and are afraid of prosecution if Corbyn is still in charge when it's published. Even if they're not afraid for themselves, they must surely be afraid for Blair, who seems quite likely to see the inside of a prison cell unless something drastic is done. That would really screw up his acolytes' place in history, by revealing that they had given their allegiance to a war criminal.

lol

 

[treelover]

Pi Media | UCL @pi_media

Interesting to see that the SOAS rally is organised by all female team, including the young asian girl who i think was on those who marched with JC on his victory walk to parliament

 

[squirrelp]

I like Alan, is he sticking the boot in?

Not really.

I guess the Telegraph decided they were going to run a piece on Corbyn's garden, so they call up Titchmarsh who says nothing unreasonable (he suggests he cuts the roses back), and they spin it into an crazy headline. I'd be pretty unhappy if I was Titchmarsh.

 

[Ole]

 

[Hocus Eye.]

Pi Media | UCL @pi_media

Interesting to see that the SOAS rally is organised by all female team, including the young asian girl who i think was on those who marched with JC on his victory walk to parliament

Why is that an issue?

 

[Hocus Eye.]

That's an excellent piece.

The one factor it omits to discuss is the forthcoming Chilcott report on the Iraq war. I wonder how many of the traitors expect to be personally implicated, and are afraid of prosecution if Corbyn is still in charge when it's published. Even if they're not afraid for themselves, they must surely be afraid for Blair, who seems quite likely to see the inside of a prison cell unless something drastic is done. That would really screw up his acolytes' place in history, by revealing that they had given their allegiance to a war criminal.

Yes the Chilcott report is the story behing this Blairite campaign. There is just two weeks to go before it is revealed. If Corbyn is still in place he can apologise on behalf of the Labour Party. That would shoot Blair down in flames.

 

[phildwyer]

Yes the Chilcott report is the story behing this Blairite campaign. There is just two weeks to go before it is revealed. If Corbyn is still in place he can apologise on behalf of the Labour Party. That would shoot Blair down in flames.

I think Corbyn might very well call for Blair to be impeached, and quite possibly his major lieutenants as well. And I'm sure that's what many of the Blairites fear. The mad desperation of their anti-Corbyn campaign suggests they're fighting for their lives, not just their careers.

 

[Hocus Eye.]

I think Corbyn might very well call for Blair to be impeached, and quite possibly his major lieutenants as well. And I'm sure that's what many of the Blairites fear. The mad desperation of their anti-Corbyn campaign suggests they're fighting for their lives, not just their careers.

Yep you could be right. Alathough I am not sure that we still have the death penalty in this country - yet.

 

[Orangesanlemons]

This is a really good thread.

It does seem that the only viable option left to the PLP now is - unbelievably - to just keep piling on the pressure & hope the stress ruins his health. That's it. That's their only 'win' now.

I can't remember anything like it in terms of viciousness. It's schoolyard bullying heaped upon workplace bullying - from the PLP, the trad right media, the BBC, the Guardian - but the attritional & concerted nature of it means that at least it's properly visible at last. I genuinely have no idea how he's still standing.

Fuck, I didn't even particularly like Corbyn. But by Christ I'll be dancing in the streets when Benn, Eagle, Watson & co. go down in flames.

 

[squirrelp]

I think Corbyn might very well call for Blair to be impeached, and quite possibly his major lieutenants as well. And I'm sure that's what many of the Blairites fear. The mad desperation of their anti-Corbyn campaign suggests they're fighting for their lives, not just their careers.

I would damn well hope so.

A friend of mine volunteered a theory as to this being stymied. It is simply this - if the war was indeed illegal, then the Head of State is a war criminal. And the one at the top of the legal tree was not Blair, but The Queen. Can anyone in HM Government take a course of action which might incriminate the entity they have all sweared to serve?

I hope he's wrong.

 

[Bernie Gunther]

This is a really good thread.

It does seem that the only viable option left to the PLP now is - unbelievably - to just keep piling on the pressure & hope the stress ruins his health. That's it. That's their only 'win' now.

I can't remember anything like it in terms of viciousness. It's schoolyard bullying heaped upon workplace bullying - from the PLP, the trad right media, the BBC, the Guardian - but the attritional & concerted nature of it means that at least it's properly visible at last. I genuinely have no idea how he's still standing.

Fuck, I didn't even particularly like Corbyn. But by Christ I'll be dancing in the streets when Benn, Eagle, Watson & co. go down in flames.

I've heard variations on that last line from a few people in the last couple of days.

 

[Red Cat]

Pi Media | UCL @pi_media

Interesting to see that the SOAS rally is organised by all female team, including the young asian girl who i think was on those who marched with JC on his victory walk to parliament

What does this mean?

By young Asian girl, do you mean a 10 year old?

 

[Treacle Toes]

Pi Media | UCL @pi_media

Interesting to see that the SOAS rally is organised by all female team, including the young asian girl who i think was on those who marched with JC on his victory walk to parliament

What do you mean by young?
What does the fact she is Asian have to do with anything?
Why is it interesting this was organised by an all female team?

Why are you shocked that JC supporters still support JC?

 

[mk12]

Jonathan Powell, former aide to Tony Blair.

 

[FabricLiveBaby!]

Jonathan Powell, former aide to Tony Blair.

These people are fucking idiots. What do they think they're going to achieve?

Plus, wasn't the Corbyn lobby hounded for saying that Labour weren't gonna win back the Tory vote 6 months ago? Really short memories.

 

[Rob Ray]

This Twitter account is gold. For the confused, they're not referring to the famed Spanish and French maquis who fought a guerrilla war against fascism, but to the Star Trek DS9 knockoff.

Labour Maquis (@LabourMaquis) on Twitter

 

[danny la rouge]

Jonathan Powell, former aide to Tony Blair.

Where's this from?

Because it's factually incorrect: the Labour Party is not "in the process of choosing a new leader". That doesn't describe what's happening at all.

The majority of the PLP is in the process of trying to depose the leader that the Labour Party chose. And the PLP is doing a pretty incompetent job of it.

Those are the facts.

 

[billy_bob]

lol

I know. I'm going to go waaaay out on a limb here and bet that Chilcott will not accuse Blair of war crimes.

 

[andysays]

Where's this from?

Because it's factually incorrect: the Labour Party is not "in the process of choosing a new leader". That doesn't describe what's happening at all.

The majority of the PLP is in the process of trying to depose the leader that the Labour Party chose. And the PLP is doing a pretty incompetent job of it.

Those are the facts.

When I first read it, I wondered if something dramatic had happened overnight, like Corbyn actually resigning, but no, it's just a complete misrepresentation of the facts.

Going by the typeface etc, I'd say it was from the Guardian.

Jonathan Powell, former aide to Tony Blair.

No kidding...

 

[danny la rouge]

When I first read it, I wondered if something dramatic had happened overnight, like Corbyn actually resigning, but no, it's just a complete misrepresentation of the facts.

Going by the typeface etc, I'd say it was from the Guardian.


No kidding...

I'll try to find it and tell them they need to issue a correction.

 

[Artaxerxes]

You know what, fuck the PLP, Corbyn may not be the best leader but these guys can't organise a fucking thing and both sides are harming each other.

Corbyn at this point should stand down and go Indepedent, its honestly the only way the Labour party gets saved. Whatever happens though its fucking done. Its a shadow of its former self. If they can't sort it out what prospect do they have on running a country?

We're in for some dark years

 

[Rob Ray]

Corbyn at this point should stand down and go Indepedent, its honestly the only way the Labour party gets saved

And "saved" for you means...

 

[danny la rouge]

Corbyn at this point should stand down and go Indepedent

I don't think so. He's the mainstream of the party, not the PLP. He's the "moderate", not this neolib fringe. He's the democrat, not these bullying putchistas.

The way you respond to bullies is not to give them what they want. If you have your mates at your back, you stand your ground.

 

[Artaxerxes]

And "saved" for you means...

Continuing as a functioning institution. You can't deselect 140 MP's and they can't remove him, its a fucking shambles.

 

[Rob Ray]

Continuing as a functioning institution. You can't deselect 140 MP's and they can't remove him, its a fucking shambles.

It won't continue as a functioning institution if he quits. One of two things will happen. Either Corbyn's support base stays, in which case the promised Night of the Deselections looms regardless, or this whole charade pisses people off enough that they abandon ship in droves, leaving the PLP with Conservative levels of door-knocking ability and no money, followed shortly thereafter by total electoral wipeout. This isn't some minor skirmish, it's full-on civil war, winner-takes-all.

 

[chilango]

I'm not interested in saving the Labour Party . However, if it transforms then it may be of interest...

 

[Smokeandsteam]

You know what, fuck the PLP, Corbyn may not be the best leader but these guys can't organise a fucking thing and both sides are harming each other.

In all the bedwetting about poor Jeremy this point has been overlooked. His opponents are piss poor. They've bascially managed to time some resignations to dominate a new cycle for a day. That is the entire extent of their masteplan. I thought Labourism was meant to be brutal machine politics? Meh.

 

[mk12]

John Harris tweeted it to show how deluded some blairites are. I assume it's from the Guardian.