Jeremy Corbyn's time is up

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You are kidding. In 2 years we will be out of Europe................

 

[Andrew Hertford]

Oh fuck off you dull, dull cunt. The fucking game's up for labour - where will the 80, 90 seats they need to win come from? Scotland? That ship's sailed. And there's 20 or so Labour seats gone through boundary changes. You'll not see another Labour government before 2030 at least.

You don't have a fucking clue.

Labour are certainly fucked while Corbyn and Momentum are still in charge, June 8th will almost certainly be a disaster for Labour.

I’m clearly not suggesting a return to Blair or PFI, but an electable Labour Party is still the only viable way to kick out the tories and save free healthcare, free comprehensive education and increase the flow of funding into other essential services.

There is currently no alternative, so grow up and forget your fantasy ‘revolution’. That ship sailed and sank a long time ago.

 

[not a trot]

Forget bookies odds. It's our future thats at stake.
Curious that the election was called so soon after Crobyn had made a few policy announcements in the last few days. May is obviously concerned that he will start gaining popularity.

I took the odds last October on there being a general election in 2017.

 

[Andrew Hertford]

If Corbyn had come out in support of Leave before the referendum there would be a very different picture right now.

If we're going to do pointless ifs, how about if Labour hadn't decided on seppuku in September 2015, we wouldn't now be facing the certainty of at least another decade of this all out tory assault on the poor and vulnerable.

 

[Idris2002]

If we're going to do pointless ifs, how about if Labour hadn't decided on seppuku in September 2015, we wouldn't now be facing the certainty of at least another decade of this all out tory assault on the poor and vulnerable.

No, there might be a chance of an all out Blairite assault on the poor and vulnerable.

 

[Pickman's model]

Labour are certainly fucked while Corbyn and Momentum are still in charge, June 8th will almost certainly be a disaster for Labour.

I’m clearly not suggesting a return to Blair or PFI, but an electable Labour Party is still the only viable way to kick out the tories and save free healthcare, free comprehensive education and increase the flow of funding into other essential services.

There is currently no alternative, so grow up and forget your fantasy ‘revolution’. That ship sailed and sank a long time ago.

td;dr

 

[Sprocket.]

If we're going to do pointless ifs, how about if Labour hadn't decided on seppuku in September 2015, we wouldn't now be facing the certainty of at least another decade of this all out tory assault on the poor and vulnerable.

Labour have been committing the slowest seppuku in history since the move away from Social Democracy toward their own adaptation of Neo-Liberalism in the form of Entrepreneurial Governance.
The pointless if, being the only difference is it would be Labour's kid glove assault on the poor and vulnerable.

 

[Mr Moose]

63% voted to stay. Most of these are going to be in seats in the south that labour do not and will not win. I think it's highly likely corbyn's lukewarm stay and post referendum urging May to get on with brexit allied with aggressive lib-dem annul the result posturing means these 1.3 are going to vote lib-dem. Making them both flakes and in areas where their vote doesn't really have an effect on labours fortunes. Some of the non-london city seats - the one i'm in for example - will have a slighly different dynamic that has much more to do with whether labour exists as viable party in the medium term. And a lot of those people are still going to vote for the lib-dems and against the parties existence.

Labour needs to do well all round for electoral success. I think you may be about right in terms of the one third and they must be dispensable if they won't vote for social democratic or socialist policies. But there are huge rifts between those left and those who jumped ship a while back. I haven't heard what convinces those voters.

 

[billy_bob]

electable Labour Party is still the only viable way to kick out the tories and save free healthcare, free comprehensive education and increase the flow of funding into other essential services.

Maybe it would be if it existed. But if by 'electable' you just mean getting someone like Cooper or Benn to run things, all they are is a slightly more apologetic copy of the tories anyway. They wouldn't save those things, they'd just have the good grace to look a bit more sheepish than the Tories do while they let them fall apart.

 

[agricola]

Maybe it would be if it existed. But if by 'electable' you just mean getting someone like Cooper or Benn to run things, all they are is a slightly more apologetic copy of the tories anyway. They wouldn't save those things, they'd just have the good grace to look a bit more sheepish than the Tories do while they let them fall apart.

... plus there is of course the whole question over whether they are in fact electable, something which two General Election defeats would suggest might not be the case.

 

[editor]

Oh fuck off you dull, dull cunt. The fucking game's up for labour - where will the 80, 90 seats they need to win come from? Scotland? That ship's sailed. And there's 20 or so Labour seats gone through boundary changes. You'll not see another Labour government before 2030 at least.

You don't have a fucking clue.

Less personal abuse please.

 

[butchersapron]

Despite all this, you have to remember that a trad hard left socialist leader like Corbyn scoring 25%+ after near two years of hammering as being hard left anywhere else in europe would be seen as a massive thing.

 

[stethoscope]

I've heard so many people on radio phone-in's already today saying they'll vote Lib Dem this time instead of Labour ('if they had a leader like a Miliband or a Smith'). Lol. Jesus

 

[billy_bob]

I've heard so many people on radio phone-in's already today saying they'll vote Lib Dem this time instead of Labour ('if they had a leader like a Miliband or a Smith'). Lol. Jesus

It's like getting your dog to shit on your own face in protest at how much dog shit there is on the pavements.

 

[Wilf]

I suspect we may well also know now when the labour party era (as rotating govt party anyway) comes to an end. Within a few years they will be supporting PR and then the party will finally shatter if it ever comes to pass.

Could well be. Labour have benefitted from first past the post, but have also been shaped by it, holding the party together as a kind of internal coalition. But that problem remains for the Labour right. If they go off to form another party they will struggle to find a winning niche in FPP. Only real route is some kind of ghastly merger with the libscum. Blenkinsop is probably on their website as we speak.

 

[butchersapron]

Could well be. Labour have benefitted from first past the post, but have also been shaped by it, holding the party together as a kind of internal coalition. But that problem remains for the Labour right. If they go off to form another party they will struggle to find a winning niche in FPP. Only real route is some kind of ghastly merger with the libscum. Blenkinsop is probably on their website as we speak.

Paul Mason as Progressive-Fuhrer.

 

[Wilf]

Paul Mason as Progressive-Fuhrer.

Polly toynbee passes on the sordid baton.

 

[butchersapron]

From arse to mouth - a long Guardian tradition.

 

[rutabowa]

Finally got round to joining labour now.

 

[kebabking]

Finally got round to joining labour now.

Have left Labour, finally.

I'm not a Blairite, i actually support the economic and domestic policy he proposes, i just cannot in good conscience ask people to vote - or vote myself - to put Corbyn in No 10 given his overseas/defence/security policy, and what i know if his beliefs and character.

What i will do, when I'm faced with the ballot paper on 8th June, i don't know, but i know what i cannot do.

 

[rutabowa]

I support basically all the policies that labour have recently announced as at least a move in the right direction and don't care about the "character" of their leader except in as much as I reckon he's not going to go nuts like trump and he is basically the only left wing choice . So it is a no brainer for me. As a not particularly activist person.

 

[rutabowa]

It's not complicated is it?

 

[Pickman's model]

Have left Labour, finally.

I'm not a Blairite, i actually support the economic and domestic policy he proposes, i just cannot in good conscience ask people to vote - or vote myself - to put Corbyn in No 10 given his overseas/defence/security policy, and what i know if his beliefs and character.

What i will do, when I'm faced with the ballot paper on 8th June, i don't know, but i know what i cannot do.

Yeh, the decent thing

 

[Pickman's model]

kebabking that last like was a pity like

 

[Idris2002]

Have left Labour, finally.

I'm not a Blairite, i actually support the economic and domestic policy he proposes, i just cannot in good conscience ask people to vote - or vote myself - to put Corbyn in No 10 given his overseas/defence/security policy, and what i know if his beliefs and character.

What i will do, when I'm faced with the ballot paper on 8th June, i don't know, but i know what i cannot do.

There's more to politics than voting, you know.

 

[rutabowa]

I can totally get people not voting because they disagree with the parliamentary system and are doing other stuff. I cannot comprehend anyone who is vaguely left wing and actually going to vote not voting for the current Labour Party though.

 

[cupid_stunt]

There's no way I can vote for Corbyn, the Greens will get my vote this time.

Not that it matters around here, the Tories always get well over 50%.

 

[Bernie Gunther]

I can totally get people not voting because they disagree with the parliamentary system and are doing other stuff. I cannot comprehend anyone who is vaguely left wing and actually going to vote not voting for the current Labour Party though.

I don't really get that choice (eta, voting for Corbyn's Labour Party I mean)

I get to vote for 'Mad Frankie' Field.

Which I will, for whatever difference it makes.

 

[YouSir]

There's no way I can vote for Corbyn, the Greens will get my vote this time.

Not that it matters around here, the Tories always get well over 50%.

Another failed Lib Dem then.

 

[redcogs]

No heavy dilemma here, i'll loan my vote to the snp, unless a socialist candidate convinces me otherwise. Indiref2 mandate coming.