Jeremy Corbyn's time is up
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DotCommunist
So many particulars. So many questions.
Dennis Skinner lol
mikey mikey
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fuck seals
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mikey mikey as been wanking on about *something* - god knows what - for over 12 hours with no real theme. get a grip, chap.
Cracking council results yesterday for jezza and maybe .Libdems win both -36 % swing from Labour in Sunderland(i know they voted 61% to leave) and 24 per cent in Three Rivers .Just weird.
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timeforanother
Cynic, and loves it when people are just lovely.
The history of socialism should have taught us at least not to pick petty fights between people who should be bothered about the real wrongs.
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
Eh? Between people who are fussed about the real wrongs, yes. But between people who should be fussed about the real wrongs - but aren't - I'm not so sure. Anyway, who to judge whether socialists' fights are petty or not? You?
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
I see the lib dem taking votes from ukip
mikey mikey
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I tried but the thread got trashed when it went off-message (i.e. "Corbyn must be replaced by, .....well we'll get to by whom later")
Well let's have a look at your general attitude, shall we?
That's it.
A simple question and you get very defensive and rude.
Pretty obvious really.
crossthebreeze
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Very interesting in Sunderland. Libdems got a massive swing from labour, but also gained votes from UKIP and conservatives.
Just had a quick look to see what wearside libdems have been up to. Looks like the lib dem candidate was partly opposing the massive cuts the labour council are making, saying that they should look at efficiency savings, fine collection, and specifically cut councillors dinners and perks first! Also making a big fuss about rats and fly tipping. And the by election was happening because the previous labour councillor had been forced out after not attending any meetings for 6 months. And labour were accused of running a negative campaign, and the labour candidate is the husband of one of the current ward councillors.
So probably won on local issues rather than anything national.
Good research
billy_bob
Air of bewilderment model's own
Labour run Sunderland like a medieval fiefdom so they should be an easy target. In fairness, though, Lib Dems are playing their usual populist, whatever-you-want-to-hear-in-this-neighbourhood card. No 'efficiency saving' as trivial as the cost of a few lunches, however undeserved and fancy they are, is going to touch the sides of the budget cuts that have been forced on NE urban councils over the last six years or so.
mikey mikey
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In fact they had this very question answered clearly by McDonnell weeks ago.
McDonnell will not intervene in Benn 'deselection bid' - BBC News
So they know fine well what they are doing.
Fake news, indeed.
McDonnell will not intervene in Benn 'deselection bid' - BBC News
So they know fine well what they are doing.
Fake news, indeed.
hash tag
Books, not bombs
Tristram Hunt is gone from Stoke and this may well be cause for concern, especially bearing in mind the type of constituency it is and how well UKIP did last time.
Time will tell.
James Connolly would be an effective Corbyn replacement, apart from one obvious difficulty.
its sort of unimportant, but Corby may do better than imagined at the next gen elec, if he manages to hammer away about bigger shoes like the state of the NHS and wealth inequality and homes for youngsters etc. making the bigger shoes prominent can motivate a class vote - i think.
its sort of unimportant, but Corby may do better than imagined at the next gen elec, if he manages to hammer away about bigger shoes like the state of the NHS and wealth inequality and homes for youngsters etc. making the bigger shoes prominent can motivate a class vote - i think.
not-bono-ever
meh
Antisemite, Holocaust denier … yet David Irving claims fresh support
Irving is back in the papers- this bit at the end of the article was interesting
"His new fans, he says, are the same people who in the US are supporting Donald Trump, who he believes will make a good president and “has his heart in the right place”. Though, he says, he is also impressed by the Labour leader, Jeremy Corbyn.
“The Labour party is tearing itself apart with these allegations about antisemitism,” he says, “but Corbyn seems like a veryfine man. Maybe it’s because he’s near my age, but I’m impressed by him.”
Fuckin hell
Irving is back in the papers- this bit at the end of the article was interesting
"His new fans, he says, are the same people who in the US are supporting Donald Trump, who he believes will make a good president and “has his heart in the right place”. Though, he says, he is also impressed by the Labour leader, Jeremy Corbyn.
“The Labour party is tearing itself apart with these allegations about antisemitism,” he says, “but Corbyn seems like a veryfine man. Maybe it’s because he’s near my age, but I’m impressed by him.”
Fuckin hell
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
Pretend the rest of the polling results don't exist.
ComRes have a poll in the Independent/Sunday Mirror tonight. The finding that has got the most attention is a question asking who people think would do “a better job at managing the NHS this winter”. 31% of people picked Jeremy Corbyn and Labour, 43% of people picked Theresa May and the Conservatives.
This is a very unusual result. The NHS is, essentially, Labour’s issue of last resort. Whatever happens, however bad things look, the public will almost always say they trust Labour more on the NHS. Over on Ipsos MORI’s website they have data on the question going back to 1978… and you have to go back to 1978 to find the Tories ahead. If you go back to the time of the Brown government when the Conservatives were on a high there were a couple of polls from other companies when the Tories scraped a lead on the NHS, but it is extremely rare. A twelve point Tory lead on the NHS would be unheard of.
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If the mention of Jeremy Corbyn in a question is enough to make respondents doubt whether they’d trust Labour with the NHS – normally a banker for them – then imagine what he would do to people pondering whether they would trust Labour on the economy, security or whatever.
ComRes have a poll in the Independent/Sunday Mirror tonight. The finding that has got the most attention is a question asking who people think would do “a better job at managing the NHS this winter”. 31% of people picked Jeremy Corbyn and Labour, 43% of people picked Theresa May and the Conservatives.
This is a very unusual result. The NHS is, essentially, Labour’s issue of last resort. Whatever happens, however bad things look, the public will almost always say they trust Labour more on the NHS. Over on Ipsos MORI’s website they have data on the question going back to 1978… and you have to go back to 1978 to find the Tories ahead. If you go back to the time of the Brown government when the Conservatives were on a high there were a couple of polls from other companies when the Tories scraped a lead on the NHS, but it is extremely rare. A twelve point Tory lead on the NHS would be unheard of.
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If the mention of Jeremy Corbyn in a question is enough to make respondents doubt whether they’d trust Labour with the NHS – normally a banker for them – then imagine what he would do to people pondering whether they would trust Labour on the economy, security or whatever.
J Ed
Follow Back Pro Expropriation
If Corbyn's team could do a deal with the PLP that would ensure a fair shot for a left-wing successor like Lewis or Rayner, I wonder if they would.
mikey mikey
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Are we talking about a third leadership election in the space of 18 or so months?
Have we forgotten that they tried to kick Corbyn off the ballot and have a candidate list of one, the last time? After the last fiasco (bogus accusations, trumped up suspensions and expulsions, writing lies in the Tory press etc.) who the Hell would trust the right-wing PLP? To pay another £25 to then get disenfranchised?
Would the PLP agree? Well Luke Akehurst and Mandleson would relish the chance at exhausting the patience and purse of the membership, not to mention put Labour back in debt with the cost and then blame it on Corbyn. I imagine the press would love it too.
Here's an idea: The PLP members of Progress/Save Labour/Labour First et. al. present it as a proposal to Corbyn and shout about how "fair" a proposal it is because they are letting them have a "lefty" on the candidate list.
If Corbyn's team say no, declare Jeremy a dictator. That should earn a few MPs a penny writing articles about how Corbyn is Mao or whatever in the Mail and Telegraph. Might even get Graunds readership a boost, though they will have to close CiF because "trolls".
If the team accept, declare the "left wing" a mess because they have had to face two leadership challenges in under a year. Then disenfranchise as many mebers as you can and generally discourage the membership until its back down to its manageable levels and everybody who is left of Liz Kendall has fucked off.
Brilliant idea!
Labour will be back in power in 2020, just in time to be "tougher on benefits than the Tories."
kebabking
Not a Girly Swot, but I like them....
I wouldn't be remotely surprised if it was something they'd thought of, and even something they started to go through with - but again, like policy things he agrees with his shadow team and then backs away from, we come back to whether the inner circle can really do compromise or passing the sacred flame on to those who didn't go through what they went through.
It's bunker mentality - the three, Abbott, McDonnell and Corbyn - have been the tightest little group at the arse end of the PLP for thirty years, they are incredibly close personally and politically in large measure because they went through the Kinnock, Smith, Blair, Brown and Milliband years as the completely ignored micro-group who kept the faith.
Given what we've seen of Corbyns, when it comes to it, inability to let go even when he's agreed the outcome, I'd not bet on a transition actually going through - rather being called off at the last moment in a flurry of accrimony and accusations of treachery.
The personality cult won't help either...
mikey mikey
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Kebaking. Apart from the generously permitted "left" like Lewis or Rayner, who would YOU like to see join them as candidates?
J Ed
Follow Back Pro Expropriation
It would also require the PLP not to oppose a decrease in the number of MPs required for leadership nominations, which is something that they have opposed up until now.
The Fornicator
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Dan Jarvis. Thanks.
mikey mikey
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Well you answered kebaking's question, but I suspect you mean that Mr. Jarvis would be your choice of candidate and that you would, if you could, vote for him.
Well, let's have a lookt at Dan.
Well what do you know?
Now does that make him a Blairite?
butchersapron might tell you such people don't even exist. But there you have it.
Also this.
These are the 184 Labour MPs who didn’t vote against the Tories' welfare bill
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
Your question was 'who would you like to see join them as a candidate' not 'name some other people who aren't blairites'Well you answered kebaking's question, but I suspect you mean that Mr. Jarvis would be your choice of candidate and that you would, if you could, vote for him.
Well, let's have a lookt at Dan.
Well what do you know?
Now does that make him a Blairite?
butchersapron might tell you such people don't even exist. But there you have it.
Also this.
These are the 184 Labour MPs who didn’t vote against the Tories' welfare bill
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