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it's mikey mikey being edgy
Jeremy Corbyn's time is up
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'Edgy' isn't quite the word I was looking for...
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DotCommunist
So many particulars. So many questions.
liz kendall
mikey mikey
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Just because Blair left politics 10 years ago, does not mean his ideology, i.e. Blairism, has.
According to the dictionary, proponents of Blairism are referred to as Blairites.
According to the "moderates" in the PLP, Blairites don't even exist, even when they are calling for his return to politics. Not that they really believe that for a minute. They just think people are stupid and deserve to be lied to.
Would you allow Farage to deny being a Thatcherite on the grounds that Maggie has snuffed it? Would you allow the same for a Marxist?
No. Because that is nonesense.
Members of Progress is what many people refer to as Blairites. You know that, too.
Now what about those names of non-Blairite non-Corbynista candidates?
So all that talk about trump with prostitutes abd golden showers was not mysogny until I mentioned it?
I will file that away with Trump Supporter, Crypto-Brexiter and Putin Bot.
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you do that
mikey mikey
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I will, Rowena. I will.
kebabking
Not a Girly Swot, but I like them....
well, i did cover moron...
she's, of course, not a moron. why she's been a member of the party for the last decade or so might be more of a mystery...
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yeh but when? do it now before you forget about it.
mikey mikey
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Done so. Thanks, Rowena.
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tbh he doesn't seem very keen to deny his admiration for margaret thatcher, so i don't see the point of this.
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grand, oswald, grand.
mikey mikey
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Why single Liz out? There are dozens of Labour MPs in the wrong party. Could it have had something to do with making Labour the equivilant of the US Democrat Party?
mikey mikey
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I wonder, if you tried really hard, whether you could see the point that I was trying to make about the absurdity of the notion put forwards by "moderates" that Blairites don't exist because Blair is no longer in the HoC?
If you really really tried, could you?
Would you?
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yes i can see the point you were trying to make, but you were making a fucking pig's ear of it. you don't do analogies very well: i cannot see the point of using farage as a comparison when he is so very eager to trumpet his admiration of thatcher.
mikey mikey
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Well that is something at least, Pickman. Perhaps I should have written "Would you allow an ex-Labour and now UKIP voter to claim that Farage is not a Thatcher man on the spurious grounds that the old tyrant is now worm food?"
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yes, because i believe in free speech. you seem to think the answer should be 'no' because you, by contrast, do not believe in free speech.
next.
mikey mikey
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By allow, I meant unchallenged.
Back to Rowena mode. I see.
Back to Rowena mode. I see.
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if you meant unchallenged you should have said unchallenged, oswald.
such a pity you so often find yourself unable to express your meaning at the first attempt.
kebabking
Not a Girly Swot, but I like them....
because DotCommunist mentioned her specifically?
dangerous game - theres a very good argument that Corbyn, McDonnell et al were in the wrong party for 20-odd years (indeed rather more, their views only really mesh with the party of the early to mid 1980's - neither would have got much shrift in the party of Wilson or Callaghan, and certainly not Attlee..), they agreed with pretty much nothing it did, disagreed with pretty much everything it did, and all that while it won 3 elections on the trot (ha! see what i did there..?) and once or twice got to 50% in the opinion polls.
one day the Corbynites will lose control of the party with the normal ebb and flow of politics, and they may come to regret putting about the idea that MP's are members of the wrong party...
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tbh the worst thing about corbyn isn't his politics, it's his shitty management of the party. after more than 40 years as a councillor and mp you'd have thought he'd have gained some understanding of how the labour party leaders controlled the party, controlled policy debates and presentation and managed dissent. yet policy seems to be incoherent and badly presented, policy announcements are all too often rolled back and an air of utter chaos seems to surround the party.
if corbyn was doing a decent job of bringing his party with him then he'd be an excellent leader. but he really doesn't seem to.
DotCommunist
So many particulars. So many questions.
the mighty 4.5% she achieved in the leadership battle, the first one. looool. It all seems so long ago now
mikey mikey
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So you suggested Liz was in the wrong party, and that was okay. Because you are not a "Corbynista". Which, by Blairite logic, none of us will be when Jeremy leaves the HoC.
By the way, you do remember Kinnock's purges, right? And the recent purges of supporters pre-leadership election?
Labour picks fight with Militant Tendency: from the archive, 16 July 1991
Now, about those candidates that are neither Corbynista nor "moderate". How are you getting along with your proposals?
DotCommunist
So many particulars. So many questions.
NEC stitch-up showed some pretty bad politicking- ending up in court over his right to be on the ballot. Surely that was avoidable, but no it happened anyway
kebabking
Not a Girly Swot, but I like them....
i gave you one name, and pointed you in the direction of a 600ft neon sign for the others. none so blind as will not see...
mikey mikey
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Neon sign? No, names please. Sorry, but to save time could you repeat that one name that you gave. It eludes me.
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mikey mikey
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Well perhaps you could point to the name, Pickman?
Much obliged.
Much obliged.
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do it yourself you lazy sod
mikey mikey
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So you aren't sure either, then?
Hmm.
Hmm.
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