Jeremy Corbyn's time is up

[phildwyer]

Yes. Denmark has two home nations outside of the EU - the Faroe Islands and Greenland. Is this slightly different? Of course. But we're not in a hypothetical situation, this is real. What do you say guys? That's her message.

I think you're right. It would be a genius move on her part. But could she sell her party/voters on such a plan?

 

[gosub]

Here's her statement in full.

"As things stand, Scotland faces the prospect of being taken out of the EU against our will."

Key words: "taken out" - ie "we're still in".

"I regard that as democratically unacceptable"

Ie - "we're using the large majority within the area of a devolved polity as our justification to stay".

"Starting this afternoon Ministers will be engaged in discussions with key stakeholders - particularly the business community"

Ie "This is aimed at you: pay attention. We're keen to retain access to the single market for you. Interested?"

"emphasise that as of now we are still firmly in the EU. Trade and business should continue as normal and we are determined that Scotland will continue now and in the future to be an attractive and a stable place to do business."

Ie - "Stable place. Still in EU. Do you read, business community?"

"Secondly, I want to make it absolutely clear that I intend to take all possible steps and explore all options to give effect to how people in Scotland voted - in other words, to secure our continuing place in the EU and in the single market in particular."

Ie "for the slow to latch on." And "all options. So not just Indy, do you follow me?"

"I will also be communicating over this weekend with each EU member state to make clear that Scotland has voted to stay in the EU - and that I intend to discuss all options for doing so."

Ie - "all options. Not just Indy".

"I should say that I have also spoken this morning with Mayor Sadiq Khan and he is clear that he shares this objective for London - so there is clear common cause between us."

Ie - "just in case you still don't get this, I'm addressing these hints to the UK-wide business community, not just Scottish business. I'm saying 'how about if Scotland tries to stay in the UK and in the EU? You'd still have access to the single market.'".

On indyref 2:

"It would not be right to rush to judgment ahead of discussions on how Scotland’s result will be responded to by the EU."

Ie - "I've got this card but I'm not playing it yet, and maybe I don't need to".

"And we said clearly that we do not want to leave the European Union.

I am determined that we will do what it takes to make sure that these aspirations are realised."

Ie "My priority here is to stay in the EU, not independence".

So she's said lots of times. "All options", indyref2 "on the table" (along with other options), and that it may be "highly likely", but if we move quickly enough it's not inevitable.

She's planning an EU member region of the U.K. That's her first preference. If it has to be a stop gap, fair enough, but it doesn't have to be. That's her message, and she's sending it to UK business and European leaders, not the press.

Yep and the Council will probably tell her to fuck off the Commission, not so much. And we haven't even seen what the Governments idea of Leave is yet. I heard and digested her statement yesterday thank you very much.

This is a whole series of threads in itself, and very little to do with inner Labour turmoil

 

[danny la rouge]

Last night I was watching a Euro MEP (no idea who) saying that the UK would be leaving the EU - and then he corrected himself to say at least England will be leaving. It sounded like Scotland is getting EU support to remain.

Of course. This isn't "what ifs" prior to the indyref 1. This is "how could we keep UK business interests in the single market now that shit is real".

 

[danny la rouge]

I think you're right. It would be a genius move on her part. But could she sell her party/voters on such a plan?

That's her biggest issue.

 

[danny la rouge]

Yep and the Council will probably tell her to fuck off the Commission, not so much. And we haven't even seen what the Governments idea of Leave is yet. I heard and digested her statement yesterday thank you very much.

This is a whole series of threads in itself, and very little to do with inner Labour turmoil

We'll see.

 

[magneze]

 

[Puddy_Tat]

so when's he announcing he'll stand as a candidate?

 

[danny la rouge]

Corbyn should call Burnham's bluff, promote him and replace the resigned front benchers, then come down on them for "calling the party into disrepute". Does he have the balls?

 

[Rob Ray]

Surprisingly smart, for Burnham. Places him as the post-coup peacemaker. Jarvis still schtum, so I'm guessing he'll be the right's man with Burnham doing the rounds looking all mournful and saying "I didn't support for the coup, but now we've had one Jarvis is best placed for reconcilliation"?

so when's he announcing he'll stand as a candidate?

He won't if he has any sense. He's long-since fluffed his chances.

 

[magneze]

Dan Jarvis? Really? FFS. I suppose he could literally kill Boris with his bare hands, so that's something.

 

[Rob Ray]

Dan Jarvis? Really? FFS. I suppose he could literally kill Boris with his bare hands, so that's something.

Third in the internal polls after Burnham and Corbyn, unsullied by accusations of disloyalty, seems the obvious choice for them.

 

[Chz]

Have you ever seen such a gaggle of non-entities?

To be fair, that describes the entire shadow cabinet. Labour is fucked because they have no-one who can lead, no matter what the colour of their stripes are. Corbyn was their best option because at least it stopped them haemorrhaging members.

 

[magneze]

Third in the internal polls after Burnham and Corbyn, unsullied by accusations of disloyalty, seems the obvious choice for them.

Yep, the third choice candidate of party members. That'll inspire everyone.

 

[The39thStep]

Burnham looks like he is in trouble with his bid for labour candidacy for mayor of Manchester . All three Salford CLPs are now backing Lloyd ,I think he'll come off the ballot paper.

 

[ViolentPanda]

All Labour MPs bar 12 (or whatever) supported Remain, that's not the point. The point is that not all campaigned as he did. There is no possible way that Umunna a privately educated, privileged, right wing neo-liberal Blairite professional politician wanker is going to appeal to the potential Labour vote amongst that who voted Leave

Chuckles doesn't appeal to me, and he's my MP!

I've said it before, but - despite Chuka's claims otherwise - the ethnically-diverse electorate of Streatham are conflicted about him, and worried about the extent to which he relies on the local Evangelical/Pentecostal churches for his majority. he also made himself unpopular with a wide variety of Lambethites when he represented himself as speaking for all Brixtonians when condemning the "Thatcher's Dead" party.

He also needs to sort out the skeletons in his closet, before seeking the leadership, and he hasn't done so yet.

 

[Sprocket.]

There has been recent speculation from the media, (so pinch of salt time)
That Corbyn was lining up a shadow cabinet position for Ed.
Have any urbs seen anything else on this story?

 

[ViolentPanda]

Hilary Benn sacked!

Nah, that's rubbish. The man has no sack.

 

[Sprocket.]

Nah, that's rubbish. The man has no sack.

He is sackless!

 

[eatmorecheese]

A state of sacklessness

 

[J Ed]

There is no way that this coup can win within the current framework for internal elections, even if you wrongly believed that a Blairite leader would be flying high in the polls they aren't going to get one. This is just sabotage of Labour's electoral prospects.

 

[bi0boy]

Lol

It's not hard to get good polling numbers when the other party has no leader.

 

[ViolentPanda]

Not sure how true this is, but;

"David Milliband to be given Jo Cox's vacant seat so he can stand against Corbyn... how low will the Blaireites stoop?"

I predicted this last week, sadly.

 

[agricola]

One can only describe this as being akin to watching the Light Brigade gathering in order to make its fateful charge, except withe even less of idea of what they were actually doing, any leadership, or indeed horses. The massed batteries of reality will blow them to atoms - if not the Labour leadership campaign that will follow, then the fact that the country has even more contempt for them and their way of thinking than the Labour Party does.

 

[ViolentPanda]

Surely only if the locals select him as a candidate, but TBH I would not be shocked by such serpentile behaviour these days.

Theoretically and constitutionally, Cox can only be replaced by another woman, but I suspect that Labour Central Office have a couple of briefs formulating opinions that get round that issue, as we speak.

 

[ViolentPanda]

It's always difficult when many here support corbyn and in some fantastical world believe he is a strong leader that can you unite his party and bring back ex voters. Because what is happening here and in the referendum is not the case. He did ok in the recent elections, and that allowed him to survive a little longer.
A new leader is needed to prevent damage limitation.

I'm not a Corbyn supporter, and I haven't been a Labour Party member for 22 years, but I do keep in touch with local party politics, and Corbyn is seen - rightly or wrongly - as a decent and trustworthy leader by many of the "tribal" Labour voters in my constituency, and in my local CLP.

You appear to consistently prefer to listen to the arguments of the party hierarchy and the media. I prefer to listen to people.

 

[belboid]

Theoretically and constitutionally, Cox can only be replaced by another woman,

eh? Not so

 

[The39thStep]

What about Ed Balls? High profile , good debater and would prob getGordon Browns backing? Could appeal to Labour Party members who know Corbyn won't win an election and isn't a Blarite candidate .
Obviously needs to get a seat first .

 

[bi0boy]

What about Ed Balls? High profile , good debater and would prob getGordon Browns backing? Could appeal to Labour Party members who know Corbyn won't win an election and isn't a Blarite candidate .
Obviously needs to get a seat first .

If he leads a general election campaign it will be all about spending too much before the financial crisis again

 

[killer b]

What's the process for deselecting an MP? I read an article from back in April talking about the upcoming coup attempt. So far, it's been on the money, predicting they will aim to oust him by/in July. One of the major threats the plotters faced if they tried was said to be deselection.

My dad was involved in an unsuccessful attempt at deselection of our local MP last time round, so I have a vague idea how it should work.

First, there's no vote of no confidence or similar that can be brought forward at any point - the only opportunity is in the run up to a general election. At that point, the CLP has to decide whether there should be a selection process, or the sitting MP should automatically be on the ballot.

Each ward in the CLP has a ballot, and I believe the unions also have some sway although I'm not certain how much - either way, if there's enough support for it, there's a selection process, during which those members wanting rid of the sitting MP put up and organise for a challenger.

So while there's a number of obstacles, it's totally possible with enough members behind it. At this point, I suppose the members need to show their number is enough for the sitting MP to be worried about the process being triggered next election...

 

[Ponyutd]

1 sacked, seven resigned.