Jeremy Corbyn's time is up

[Pickman's model]

You're getting worse. Must be the corbyn-effect. Delusional.

Massive support for ukip? Don't talk such bollocks. Where is Nigel farage in the house of Commons? How many councillors do they have?

 

[gosub]

Nonentity

Only Scots Labour MP

 

[Mr Retro]

I was surprised not to see Corbyn on the Andrew Marr show or Sunday politics today. I was looking forward to getting his explanations on what's going on. Nicola Sturgeon has been a brilliant leader since the vote. Would love to see similar from Corbyn.

 

[belboid]

“Where there is no vacancy, nominations may be sought be potential challengers each year prior to the annual session of party conference. In this case nominations must be supported by 20% of the Commons members of the PLP”. Chapter 4, Clause II, rule 2 B ii

 

[gosub]

I was surprised not to see Corbyn on the Andrew Marr show or Sunday politics today. I was looking forward to getting his explanations on what's going on. Nicola Sturgeon has been a brilliant leader since the vote. Would love to see similar from Corbyn.

Sturgeon went too strong too early. Am v. interested in what EUrope tells her.

 

[Pickman's model]

“Where there is no vacancy, nominations may be sought be potential challengers each year prior to the annual session of party conference. In this case nominations must be supported by 20% of the Commons members of the PLP”. Chapter 4, Clause II, rule 2 B ii

As the incumbent surely jc not in fact 'a challenger'

 

[brogdale]

'The party has to re-connect with its voter base' say these neolib, remainarian resigners.

 

[JimW]

“Where there is no vacancy, nominations may be sought be potential challengers each year prior to the annual session of party conference. In this case nominations must be supported by 20% of the Commons members of the PLP”. Chapter 4, Clause II, rule 2 B ii

Just Googled and came up with this saying the same - doesn't that imply Corbyn's automatically on the ballot as incumbent and it's the challengers need the nominations?

 

[butchersapron]

If the nomination threshold is no 20% rather than 15% due to it being a leadership challenge then surely Corbyn's name must automatically be on the ballot.

Yes, it's only challengers who need nominations according to the rulebook.

Where there is no vacancy, nominations may be sought by potential challengers
each year prior to the annual session of party conference. In this case any
nomination must be supported by 20 per cent of the Commons members of the PLP.
Nominations not attaining this threshold shall be null and void.

 

[Pickman's model]

Only Scots Labour MP

Nonentity nonetheless

 

[Fez909]

If there's a leadership challenge, he's on the ballot automatically. If he resigns, then he needs 34/35 to nominate him to be back in the running.

He won't resign, so he's on the ballot.

 

[brogdale]

Leaving literally no MP that can replace him. Unless they want to try putting an MP for an English constituency in the post. Which would be an interesting move at this time.

Merge role with Europe minister?

 

[gosub]

If the nomination threshold is no 20% rather than 15% due to it being a leadership challenge then surely Corbyn's name must automatically be on the ballot.

Yes, it's only challengers who need nominations according to the rulebook.

Where there is no vacancy, nominations may be sought by potential challengers
each year prior to the annual session of party conference. In this case any
nomination must be supported by 20 per cent of the Commons members of the PLP.
Nominations not attaining this threshold shall be null and void.

Without the line about automatic inclusion, could be read as needing renomination (I know they wanted the line changed) potential chaos ahead

 

[gosub]

If there's a leadership challenge, he's on the ballot automatically. If he resigns, then he needs 34/35 to nominate him to be back in the running.

He won't resign, so he's on the ballot.

No.

 

[butchersapron]

Without the line about automatic inclusion, could be read as needing renomination (I know they wanted the line changed) potential chaos ahead

The singular specification of challengers as requiring nominations makes it crystal clear - there can be no doubt.

 

[cantsin]

AFAIK, Corbyn's name is automatically included on the ballot. No nominations required.

that's what i 'd started to assume, as no mention of problems re : him getting the backing - am hoping Butchers wrong on this one

 

[belboid]

Essentially, the rules are clear as mud. Doesn't even mention going to an OMOV ballot. Complete fucking mess

 

[Pickman's model]

Merge role with Europe minister?

*post forwarded to j.corbyn@parliament.gov.uk

 

[belboid]

The singular specification of challengers as requiring nominations makes it crystal clear - there can be no doubt.

oh, there will be plenty of doubt. Who gets to vote? If the vote is held at conference it's delegates

 

[gosub]

The singular specification of challengers as requiring nominations makes it crystal clear - there can be no doubt.

I can see doubt, but I'd hope they take in the spirit you (and I would), but this is New Labour's last throw of the dice....

 

[Pickman's model]

Essentially, the rules are clear as mud. Doesn't even mention going to an OMOV ballot. Complete fucking mess

Strange how unions and the lp have such murky and equivocal rules and regs. The nus ones always a fucking nightmare

 

[Pickman's model]

I can see doubt, but I'd hope they take in the spirit you (and I would), but this is New Labour's last throw of the dice....

Oh they'll be after a last last roll of the dice after this

 

[butchersapron]

oh, there will be plenty of doubt. Who gets to vote? If the vote is held at conference it's delegates

Sure over everything they can possibly get away with, but surely on on the question of the leader not requiring nominations?

 

[gosub]

Oh they'll be after a last last roll of the dice after this

The line will be in the constitution by then, last potential chance for MP's to freeze out a leader

 

[Pickman's model]

The line will be in the constitution by then, last potential chance for MP's to freeze out a leader

Nulab like a zombie refusing to lie down and just fucking die

 

[belboid]

Sure over everything they can possibly get away with, but surely on on the question of the leader not requiring nominations?

If it isn't explicitly stated, there will be questions

 

[Puddy_Tat]

i really can't work out wtf the blairites want. is the vision a party and leader that's so tory-lite that it gets the daily mail seal of approval?

hasn't labour lost the last two general elections trying to be that?

isn't it the blairites that are the sort of 'guardian reading metropolitan elite' / sneering at 'white van man' that large chunks of the electorate say has lost touch?

wouldn't it be easier if the blairites fuck off and merge with the tory remain contingent?

 

[gosub]

Nulab like a zombie refusing to lie down and just fucking die

I think the problem might be in the communication of the message. FUCK OFF AND DIE doesn't seem to worked.

 

[roryer]

Burnham's northern roots will go some way to reconnect with old labour heartlands I think, his work with Hillsborough helped, he has multi department experience , strong ties to the unions and a progressive socialist, I think he would be an ideal opposition candidate at this time.

Burnham would make a good Tory MP. When health Secretary he promised to scrap parking fees at NHS sites. This is opposed to any sustainable transport principles, opposed by local authorities, NHS Trusts and the Transport Planning profession, but he went ahead and made the pledge. Parking fees are used to put in bicycle infrastructure, and promote public transport access, they help promote physical health, raise about £110m a year and effectively manage parking, meaning equitable allocation which is made available free for those who actually need it.

Burnham displayed here that he was nothing but a populist politician looking for cheap votes through misinformation in a similar mold to UKIP.

 

[Pickman's model]

I think the problem might be in the communication of the message. FUCK OFF AND DIE doesn't seem to worked.

Time for plan b: icepick time