Try not to get particularly annoyed about this, where it has been referenced in this thread it is usually concerning a specific example. The allegiance I was referring to for example was in that article that Dylans had shared about the spa the other night.
I try and listen to a lot of viewpoints, but I don't agree with them all. In my part of the world views akin to gender critical thought are common amongst left wing women, often expressed quite vociferously. I listen to them as well.
Ta. I don't recall that, but bizarre if accurate.
I don't usually deliberately attempt to upset people, but it's very easy to do on this issue. Believe it or not I do pass my posts through my own internal filter, and like others don't actually post more than half the posts I start out with.
That comment was some light relief indeed, the immaturity of it. Strength of feeling is a weakness, crying in your own house. This isn't what people see out there, a grip is certainly maintained at all times- probably to my detriment(everyone's really, we shouldn't always suck things up) . I wouldn't have survived 20 years in carework if I didn't have a grip lol
That's quite an unkind thing to say in response to an honest post tbh. Snowflake is a shortcut a whole host of nasty bastards use to dismiss any complaints about their bigotry and I'm sure you don't want to be aligned with them even by accident.
So some women’s feelings are important, almost sacrosanct, and others can be dismissed as snowflakes.
I know.
I’m not sure you are understanding the argument here so maybe best leave it.
But these arguments are essentially reverting to a position that accepts without question that "transwomen are women". The position you were saying was a strategic error.
This is partly why I rarely post on these threads.
Well no, not without question. The shelters accept transwomen on a case by case basis. Thing is most of the time you would have no idea these transwomen were trans unless they volunteer that information, so basically if they had to use facilities for men, it would normally pose far more difficulties for everyone concerned than if it would if the staff at shelters use their discretion.
It’s not enough though, I’m not doing enough or even know what to do or say. I think a lot of people feel lost over this, on all sides.
Your posts have cheered me up, I'm sure others here feel the same. Sometimes that's enough
I am posting in good faith, I'm saying exactly what I think and saying i dont like bigots and bullies isn't stirring anything nor is it a complicated thing to understand . But if you want to play the beleaguered martyr carry on.
These arguments don't turn on insisting people accept that twaw.
Is my poor silly woman's brain not up to the task of understanding the argument here?
I realise you've said you're leaving the thread now so don't anticipate a response but you have consistently argued that trans women should be kept out of women's toilets and changing rooms because of fears over safety - a view you didn't used to hold. But from this statement it appears your views have shifted because you've become embroiled in this row and you are angry about the positions some trans activists have taken. It's not that something has happened that has caused you to recalibrate the risk of trans people using those space, it's that trans activists have pissed you off and so you have become more hardline in response to that. I'd like to be wrong, but a cynical reading of this could be that on toilets and changing rooms at least you have used fears about safety as a shield for your real motivation which is getting one over on the trans who've annoyed you, and what appears even worse is that the punishment you have settled on is to remove the places of safety trans people have to protect them from the violence on which you claimed those safety concerns were founded. If so that's pretty reprehensible to me. Trans people are fucking people and our right to safety is not something that can be bounced around and granted and then taken away on a whim based on how much trans activists have annoyed you that day.
