Andrew Hertford
Chocolate Jesus
Anything to do with the swp? And what do "blitz" and "bust card" mean?
Is there a reason for the riots?
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Anything to do with the swp? And what do "blitz" and "bust card" mean?
ViolentPanda
Hardly getting over it.
Or perhaps, as certainly used to be the case with grassroots activism, you didn't really talk about it because it was perfectly normative behaviour?
ViolentPanda
Hardly getting over it.
I'd agree with that.
ViolentPanda
Hardly getting over it.
Err and? You haven't said anything contrary to what I have already so I don't understand you saying 'no' at the beginning of your response. People are not reporting it because they don't know about it and/or don't think it's of value, if they did they would be networking/skill/info sharing more!
You're jumping to a conclusion based on your own preconception (otherwise there'd be more networking/info-sharing). While it's an easy conclusion to jump to, it also ignores other possibilities, like people do share skills and info, and network, but they don't do so on your radar; or they don't publicise it because hey, it's just what people do for each other.
As for value, why would people bother to do anything if they didn't believe their actions had value and were of value?
ViolentPanda
Hardly getting over it.
people are skill sharing fuck loads. so i disagreed with you. if something's going unreported, the reason for it is that it isn't being reported.and the reason it isn't being reported is because journalists and their editors don't get turned on by that sort of thing. and participants aren't reporting it because you don't report everything you do in your life unless you're stanley edwards.
In which case you report loads of stuff you haven't done, too.
ViolentPanda
Hardly getting over it.
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Starry Wisdom
au contraire. i do lots of stuff i don't report, unreported because you don't need to - and in many if not most cases wouldn't want to - know what i'm up to.
ViolentPanda
Hardly getting over it.
No, I mean that if you're Stanley Edwards you report a load of stuff you haven't done, you nudnik!
It's not really public relations... it's having causes or projects that are engaging to a wider cross section of the community.
You seem to be arguing cross purposes... rutita is clearly talking about improving communication between all type of actions and activism... you seem to be suggesting that it's not necessary.
ViolentPanda
Hardly getting over it.
In other words it's about networking and presenting relating your work to others.
AKA public relations.
You Twitter.
ViolentPanda
Hardly getting over it.
Too much seeming.
I'm not suggesting that it isn't necessary, I'm suggesting that people may be comfortable with the status quo as regards their grassroots activism. Apart from anything else, it makes it harder for others to appropriate their good work for other purposes (the current big one being "The Big Society").
ViolentPanda
Hardly getting over it.
Nope.
In other words it's about networking and presenting relating your work to others.
AKA public relations.
Under that definition everytime you meet someone and tell them what you are doing it counts as public relations.
That's stretching a definition to breaking point.
ViolentPanda
Hardly getting over it.
Under that definition everytime you meet someone and tell them what you are doing it counts as public relations.
That's stretching a definition to breaking point.
No, under that definition, which is specific (as made clear in my posts) to grassroots activism, it does nothing of the sort.
And what you're talking about is individual social relations.
You're trying too hard.
You should. That is now fast becoming normative behaviour.
And it's very much about constant reporting... to the extent where it can be mind-numbingly tedious. And yet people respond. Exactly the kind of people we're trying to reach.
And Twitter was just one example of how things may have changed since the days when activism was normative behaviour.
I'm not at all.
You said being interesting and working on interesting projects that people want to engage with was public relations. I think it's just common sense.
ViolentPanda
Hardly getting over it.
I can see Twitter's utility as a format for passing small pieces of data on quickly, and I do read twitter streams, I just don't participate because I find the format extremely limiting. Sometimes you can't condense stuff into 140 characters or less.
ViolentPanda
Hardly getting over it.
Don't tell me what I've said, when it isn't what I've said, but rather your interpretation.
My point is very obviously that in light of you having stated that "...the onus is on those who wish to be reported to make sure it is interesting enough", "making sure it is interesting enough" means that your activism has to be judged not only on effectiveness, but on how appealing it is, or how appealing you can make it.
In other words, it becomes about public relations.
That's obvious. That's what makes better and more open communication so important. No good being comfortable with something that doesn't work.
ViolentPanda
Hardly getting over it.
And if it does work, but is specific to a particular problem in a single area? Do we cast it aside because it isn't "interesting" enough in a networked world?
err yeah, sure you know what I look like, or my RL name.
and I'm absolutely sure you're a legend in my area for that sorta thing....
you remind me of another poster...
Whereas you remind me of...
I know who to look for....
Of course not. In fact... if something has a proven success record it's even more important to spread and share that method.
Whereas you remind me of...
I know who to look for....
And if you mix tooting and streatham you can get 'tootinham'.
Is that how you ended up working there? Got drunk and confused on the way home one night?
I think you may be lost.
I disagree with the use of the term... but it doesn't matter. Call it PR if it makes you happy.
Effective is interesting in itself.
Streathamite
ideological dogmatist
nope, swappies are - mercifully - thin on the ground round that way(that way being broadwater, philip lane, bruce grove etc).
blitz means 3 hours of dropping a bust card and leaflet through every letterbox on broadwater, bust card = well, advice card if a kid gets busted by OB
Streathamite
ideological dogmatist
jesus, you really ARE an eejit, aintcha?
Streathamite
ideological dogmatist
sorry, tottenham job, will try to be at other 'Ackney stuff
e2a; should be done on broadwater by 4pm, will try to get up there by then
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