Hopefully it will just become a footnote in history books. I hope the future of socialism is oblivion.
Is the Left Wing more truthful than the Right Wing, and if so, why?
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Yugoslav
Jugoslaven
Yet, the Labour declined and degraded into a bourgeois reformist party just as was expected by Lenin. All these "social democrat" parties are nothing more than left-wing infantile disorders! First the SPD and the "Gotha Program" and the Bernsteinism which deviated the SPD from Marxism and then culminated in the 1919 counter-revolution against KPD and the Spartacists. By 1959, SPD completely abandoned all aspects of Marxism, three years after the Labour Party abandoned the aspect of nationalizing the economy. Motivated by nothing more than the "Red Scare", fear of a revolution so they decided to betray Marxism and choose the path of reformism as a means of making concessions in order to prevent the proletariat from gaining major power.
However, a revolution is inevitable, and it will eventually be a thing for change is a thing in dialectical materialism, whether they like it or not!
However, a revolution is inevitable, and it will eventually be a thing for change is a thing in dialectical materialism, whether they like it or not!
Yugoslav
Jugoslaven
I think you never heard of this book. It basically is just a manifesto instigating a future plan on how the Labour Party should abandon all Marxist aspects, especially the one of worker-owned property in favor of bourgeois reformism within UK politics. The book is the epitome of Fabian opportunism which has degraded the Labour Party into a bourgeois reformist and "centrist" party of Keir Starmer that we know of today.
The proletariat gaining power? How would they do that seeing as they have the lowest IQ's and the least ability to run a country most of them can't even run their own lives let alone a country.
Serge Forward
Just enjoyin' my coffee.
I wasn't talking to you. Fuck off, troll.
You are now.
Yugoslav
Jugoslaven
Well, the proletariat won't be gaining power in the UK anytime soon thanks to Fabians running this mastermind sabotage of socialism and communism within Britain. All in the name of "healthy mix of capitalism and socialism". Labour Party failed the proletariat long ago! Your "low IQ" thingy may sound like a comedic explanation as to why the proletariat desperately is voting the bourgeois reformist party which is just sad.
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Serge Forward
Just enjoyin' my coffee.
I liked it when this thread was a fairly reasonable discussion. HC is clearly trolling and I don't know what to make of Yugo.
Kid_Eternity
Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?
Seems like its basically going nowhere now...
Serge Forward
Just enjoyin' my coffee.
I've put the dicks on ignore now 
Sorry, this thread was ridiculous from the beginning with the assertion that the left was honest and truthful, whereas the Left's whole basis the last 100 odd years has been lies, has been lying, right from the beginning with Lenin, Trotsky and Stalin.
Yugoslav
Jugoslaven
The only thing the left was truthful about is the degradation of such "leftism" in the West.
hitmouse
music obfuscation technology
Not often I say this, but I think you're being a bit harsh on Marxist-Leninists there, I'm sure there must've been more than a few who did their duty in 84-85 or at Wapping. Or indeed in various US cities during 2020, and at any other number of other times and places. Although I suppose you could argue that by contributing to struggle alongside their fellow proletarians, they were no longer acting as M-Ls, having broken with the essentially Fabian practice of that movement throughout its history.
I am not winding anybody up I just can't believe people believe in such rubbish this 2024 and people still believe in Marxist-Leninist revolution and That Chairman Mao was great, pol pot was brilliant, North Korea is a paradise, cuba is perfect, venezuela is super. Enver Hoxha and Albania were mighty Giants of happiness, Nicolae Ceaușescu was a force of freedom and liberation. If you can't even get the basics right what's the point is there what good is there in talking about more local and more recent and more mild subjects which in the left is just as dishonest in and fabricated.
Why don't you get yourself interested in something more real and more interesting and more honest like these two lads...
Why don't you get yourself interested in something more real and more interesting and more honest like these two lads...
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Kevbad the Bad
Amiable Bowel Syndrome
I think if this thread is to get anywhere, and I'm not hopeful, it would be a good idea to reflect on what 'left wing' means. If you go back to the 19th century and early 20th centuries there emerges a general division into three broad camps in the international labour movement, Marxist, anarchist and reformist. If we lump them all together we just ignore massive theoretical divisions and 150 years of historical and geographical divergence. So my attempt to bring this thread back to some semblance of intellectual rigour goes like this:-
Anarchists - generally good eggs, honest and stalwart.
Reformists - corrupt, boring, two-faced
Marxists - hypocritical, mass-murdering, corrupt
Anarchists - generally good eggs, honest and stalwart.
Reformists - corrupt, boring, two-faced
Marxists - hypocritical, mass-murdering, corrupt
krtek a houby
Merry Xmas!
Spymaster
Plastic Paddy
There should be a prize for the next best use of it.
The Labour Party is a fraud. if we had proportional representation they wouldn't even get 20%. The only thing that's kept Labour alive for the last 40 years is our completely out of date dilapidated antique antiquated unfair hopeless electoral system first past the post.
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krtek a houby
Merry Xmas!
And who should be in government in your country? Seeing as how Starmer and Mao are essentially the exact same in your opinion.
Whoever was elected by a fair electoral system. I favour single transferable vote STV it's both preferential and proportional and has a built-in threshold limit.
I hav forgotten, what country you are in, is it Ireland?
krtek a houby
Merry Xmas!
And who should be in government in your country? Seeing as how Starmer and Mao are essentially the exact same in your opinion.
And Trump and Hitler are the same in yours (Opinion).
krtek a houby
Merry Xmas!
And who should be in government in your country? Seeing as how Starmer and Mao are essentially the exact same in your opinion.
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