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Is it worrying that EDL members freedoms are restricted

Do EDL members deserve restrictions on their democratic rights

  • Yes, facists deserve to have their rights restricted

    Votes: 10 23.3%
  • No, democratic rights should be universal and apply to fascists too

    Votes: 31 72.1%
  • Don't know

    Votes: 2 4.7%

  • Total voters
    43
I'm coming to this a bit late but what is it Moon has done/said that is so terrible?

Has he been posting bestial-child-Nazi-porn?
 
to be fair leftists don't go around beating people up when the pubs shut or collect dangerous junk.
dedicated lefty lots of books not many pictures.
facist guns and killing monthly knights of the ss a crossbow air pistol some knives and a book on making bombs and or flares thunderflashes and some pipebombs or thinking about making some for the coming race war.
oh and stacks of porn :)
 
Not at all, you can be poor and free. Although you are less likely to be subjected to poverty in a society where people are free to participate in economic activity.

yeah, tell that to the 42,389,619 Americans relying on food stamps.
 
You can be poor and free?

Please tell me how to "participate in economic activity" with no access to capital? An answer this time would be nice, as this is the essential point you always chicken out of answering.

Mirco loans or exchange of labour for income.
 
A few things

1. I never said we lived in a totalitarian state, I said this legislation was totalitarian in nature. The reason I said that is because it exerts state control over someone's political actions.
2. Poverty exists in all societies, it has been devastating in all centrally planned economies throughout history.
3. Focus leaflets are delivered on mass, not targeted.
4. Concepts of positive liberty can readily be turned into the principle that legitimizes oppression, as such it should only be invoked sparingly.
 
It would be with the freedom to pick and choose yourself who you worked with, or how you invested you money.

So that's a no to trade unions and industrial action then. Again you deal in abstraction, not really lived lives. Why do you always choose abstracted ideas over flesh and blood people?

Louis MacNeice
 
Hang on - economic activity includes work. Isn't it reasonable to say you're less likely to be poor if you have a job, or a business?

Well, that kind of depends on the job, the salary, the expenses...

Do your material conditions improve, or are they static, and you're either running to stand still, or actually losing ground?
 
A few things

1. I never said we lived in a totalitarian state, I said this legislation was totalitarian in nature. The reason I said that is because it exerts state control over someone's political actions.

However you trim your sails to make yourself look less stupid, you still look stupid. Legislation that is "totalitarian in nature" can only exist and be functional in a totalitarian state.

So, why not give up your hyperbole as a bad job, and admit that at worst the sentence meted out was an example of authoritarianism?

2. Poverty exists in all societies, it has been devastating in all centrally planned economies throughout history.

It's been devastating in most economies, whether they were planned or not

3. Focus leaflets are delivered on mass, not targeted.

The phrase is "en masse".

4. Concepts of positive liberty can readily be turned into the principle that legitimizes oppression, as such it should only be invoked sparingly.

:facepalm:
 
It would be with the freedom to pick and choose yourself who you worked with, or how you invested you money.

So, you don't recognise that there are powerful forces that ensure that some people don't get to pick and choose who they work with, and that they don't have money to invest?


You're already dead, moon. You're already fucking dead.
 
It would be with the freedom to pick and choose yourself who you worked with
Are you talking about full economic democracy here? That I can pick and choose my boss? I can pick and choose how the value I make is used? Sounds good.
 
Are you talking about full economic democracy here? That I can pick and choose my boss? I can pick and choose how the value I make is used? Sounds good.

No because that value belongs to the employer, and they have to be free to dispose of it as they see fit; now get back to work!

Louis MacNeice
 
No because that value belongs to the employer, and they have to be free to dispose of it as they see fit; now get back to work!
You mean I don't get any say over what I do during 40-odd hours of every week? Sounds like that employer has totalitarian control.
 
Well, that kind of depends on the job, the salary, the expenses...

Do your material conditions improve, or are they static, and you're either running to stand still, or actually losing ground?

If my job didn't improve my material circumstances I wouldn't go.

Sadly, that's all it improves, but I keep going.
 
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