Is it worrying that EDL members freedoms are restricted

[Blagsta]

In this case the collective have decided to restrict this person from attending any protest not within Birmingham. So this dissident has been dealt with and his views suppressed.

What "collective" is that?

 

[ViolentPanda]

Whereas Marxism allows for the restriction of minorities for the greater good of the collective morality.

Probably the one thing that Marxism cannot be accused of, is of doing this for the greater good of a collective morality.

Morality is, after all, a bourgeois affectation.

 

[butchersapron]

In this case the collective have decided to restrict this person from attending any protest not within Birmingham. So this dissident has been dealt with and his views suppressed.

That's right - that's how anything collective always works.

Do you not believe in law than moon, as a tory i assume you do? Is law an individual thing do you think?

 

[Fruitloop]

One of the points that is perhaps being overlooked is that from an elite point of view the repression of fascists should be as much of a song and dance as possible, giving maximum exposure both to the boneheads in question and to the state's repression of them. Leftists on the other hand are to be starved of the oxygen of publicity, and it's only when some undercover copper goes native/rogue that we hear about state action against them.

 

[ViolentPanda]

Not at all, you can be poor and free. Although you are less likely to be subjected to poverty in a society where people are free to participate in economic activity.

More cant, disproved by any bare scrutiny of the effects of class in society.

 

[butchersapron]

Not at all, you can be poor and free. Although you are less likely to be subjected to poverty in a society where people are free to participate in economic activity.

So Poverty is not unfreedom?

Wow.

 

[ViolentPanda]

What "collective" is that?

The judicial collective.

because they're such a bunch of commies, those magistrates. Reds the lot of 'em.

 

[ViolentPanda]

So Poverty is not unfreedom?

Wow.

Or even doubleplusgood!

 

[butchersapron]

Not at all, you can be poor and free. Although you are less likely to be subjected to poverty in a society where people are free to participate in economic activity.

You are not even close to being a liberal.

 

[Blagsta]

You can be poor and free?

Please tell me how to "participate in economic activity" with no access to capital? An answer this time would be nice, as this is the essential point you always chicken out of answering.

Well? Have you chickened out again?

 

[butchersapron]

Well? Have you chickened out again?

He chickened out earlier, went out delivering focus leaflets, was back posting in 10 minutes.

 

[Blagsta]

*taps watch*

 

[Proper Tidy]

Whilst Moon's position and the bulk of this article is bullshit, so is effectively banning somebody from political activity, to bring it back on track.

 

[butchersapron]

Get a loan

 

[Fruitloop]

He chickened out earlier, went out delivering focus leaflets, was back posting in 10 minutes.

I guess the lib-dems have a very tight focus these days.

 

[emanymton]

Of course he doesn't, or he'd have realised that under a totalitarian government, skid-marks like the offender would have been "disappeared" into a life of getting his bollocks electro-shocked before he got chucked down a mine-shaft.

Sadly him and his ilk are more likely to be the ones delivering the shocks.

 

[butchersapron]

I guess the lib-dems have a very tight focus these days.

The fuckers put something though my door when i was out earlier this week.

 

[Fruitloop]

You see, it's highly targeted stuff

 

[butchersapron]

I take my hat off to them. That is one specific targeting.

 

[stethoscope]

Not at all, you can be poor and free. Although you are less likely to be subjected to poverty in a society where people are free to participate in economic activity.

What the fucks?!

 

[Refused as fuck]

Psychopath.

 

[jakethesnake]

One of the points that is perhaps being overlooked is that from an elite point of view the repression of fascists should be as much of a song and dance as possible, giving maximum exposure both to the boneheads in question and to the state's repression of them. Leftists on the other hand are to be starved of the oxygen of publicity, and it's only when some undercover copper goes native/rogue that we hear about state action against them.

This.

 

[taffboy gwyrdd]

Rights should be restricted only as an when they present a genuine public order threat, which is at most demos.

I would generally restrict right to march in such circs, and it generally is.

Incitement should be chased down, but only in clear cases.

The bigger restriction of freedoms, if their code of conduct counts for anything, is internal. All critique of 'leadership' is taken with a very dim view. It's very authoritarian and unaccountable (suprise!)

If the sad fucks and twats bleat about their treatment they should first look within, not that "introspection" is a word in many of their vocabluaries. "Vocabluary" isnt in most of their vocabs. In all my years of campaigning I can honestly say I have never come across a more ignorant bunch. We don't need to give them too much rope, they are perfectly capable of going and getting it for themselves.

 

[audiotech]

Under fascism moon23 and the rest of the liberals would be locked up or killed.

Instead, this is just ‘normal’ everyday democratic capitalism.

 

[killer b]

does it have to be just under fascism?

 

[butchersapron]

Under fascism moon23 and the rest of the liberals would be locked up or killed.

Instead, this is just ‘normal’ everyday democratic capitalism.

They'd be arguing for people to be locked up.

 

[danny la rouge]

Not at all, you can be poor and free. Although you are less likely to be subjected to poverty in a society where people are free to participate in economic activity.

Excellent. A free marketeer.

 

[audiotech]

does it have to be just under fascism?

No.

 

[audiotech]

They'd be arguing for people to be locked up.

They would indeed.

 

[frogwoman]

They'd be arguing for people to be locked up.

there were actually plenty of "liberal" apologists for various fascist regimes in the 30s (mostly not living in the regimes in question). When I get some time I am going to research them in greater depth.