Is it worrying that EDL members freedoms are restricted

[TruXta]

From that Adam Smith piece: " It seems to me that tobacco is at the coalface of a much bigger cultural battle, in which capitalism, individualism and rationality are all coming under relentless attack by the enemies of freedom."

Yah, cuz capitalism is all about individualism isn't it? Look at me in my individualistic mass-produced mass-marketed rebel sneakers!

 

[moon23]

And even that was a lie.

No I arranged to meet up with him so I knew somewhere there and we hanged together.

 

[TruXta]

It's true, like this propaganda

Eat Well
Move More
Live Longer

http://www.nhs.uk/change4life/Pages/change-for-life.aspx

Ah, so sensible health advice is now propaganda? Sure.

 

[bi0boy]

It's true, like this propaganda

Eat Well
Move More
Live Longer

http://www.nhs.uk/change4life/Pages/change-for-life.aspx

Huh, that's "recipes and games to help you and the kids eat more healthily and be more active. "

Are you a total cock or something?

 

[TruXta]

Huh, that's "recipes and games to help you and the kids eat more healthily and be more active. "

Are you a total cock or something?

I think we know the answer to that.

 

[moon23]

Ah, so sensible health advice is now propaganda? Sure.

It's not just advice, they have a full marketing budget and even sponsored the Simpson with tax payers money. Locally they are running a campaign against going to the pub and eating unhealthy food, which pisses me off as i'm trying to run a save our pubs campaign.

 

[TruXta]

Are they now? Any proof of that? Even so, you do feel that telling people that eating less/better, moving more and so on is propaganda? Nothing to do with common sense then?

 

[butchersapron]

No I arranged to meet up with him so I knew somewhere there and we hanged together.

I don't think you'll be hanging together ever again (separately - quite possible).

 

[butchersapron]

It's true, like this propaganda

Eat Well
Move More
Live Longer



http://www.nhs.uk/change4life/Pages/change-for-life.aspx

Choice.

 

[TruXta]

Choice.

No dude, the man is ordering us to cook proper food and move our fat arses around. What a dreadful dreadful tyranny.

 

[butchersapron]

No dude, the man is ordering us to cook proper food and move our fat arses around. What a dreadful dreadful tyranny.

You've ruined my joke by replying to it!

 

[TruXta]

Fuck you too!

 

[Louis MacNeice]

It's not just advice, they have a full marketing budget and even sponsored the Simpson with tax payers money. Locally they are running a campaign against going to the pub and eating unhealthy food, which pisses me off as i'm trying to run a save our pubs campaign.

Is that true moon? Evidence please.

Louis MacNeice

 

[Streathamite]

Quite, wealth tends to allow you to buy your way out of a state's influence. Most state's like Mafia are corrupt and happy to turn a blind eye to the economically powerful in return for favours.

Yes,we call that"capitalism"-which you support

 

[Louis MacNeice]

It's not just advice, they have a full marketing budget and even sponsored the Simpson with tax payers money. Locally they are running a campaign against going to the pub and eating unhealthy food, which pisses me off as i'm trying to run a save our pubs campaign.

The UK alcoholic drinks industry spends in the region of £800 million a year promoting it's wares. back in July 2010 Andrew Lansley, the coalition Health Secretary, cut the Change4Life marketing budget of £75 million...completely.

Louis MacNeice

 

[past caring]

It's not just advice, they have a full marketing budget and even sponsored the Simpson with tax payers money. Locally they are running a campaign against going to the pub and eating unhealthy food, which pisses me off as i'm trying to run a save our pubs campaign.

If your efforts at persuading others on here are any kind of benchmark, changes4life could save themselves a lot of money by simply funding you instead.

 

[LiamO]

I don't think you're parents would appreciate you giving out their address to all and sundry on the interwebz, sonny boy.

Thank you for your concern. They are both long since passed on... a bit like your wit, really.

 

[Blagsta]

Because although one is never free of one's 'situation' as Sartre points out one is always free to 'negate' that situation and to try to change it.

Meaningless waffle. How about a straight answer?

 

[Blagsta]

freedom isn't always fair, there will be times when one side has an unequal relationship over another. However although wealth and freedom are separate entities and shouldn't be conflated, having the later does increase the likelihood of obtaining the former.

So the person with property has much more freedom than the person without. Funny sort of freedom, the freedom to starve, wouldn't you say?

 

[Blagsta]

freedom isn't always fair, there will be times when one side has an unequal relationship over another. However although wealth and freedom are separate entities and shouldn't be conflated, having the later does increase the likelihood of obtaining the former.

In other words you are more likely to find a fair trade and exchange for your work in a society that is free. Trying to work in a society that isn't free makes your chances of escaping poverty even more slim. Which is why your average poor worker in the US has better prospects then your average poor worker in North Korea.

More meaningless waffle. Appealing to an abstract "freedom" divorced from concrete circumstances is lame. You're also doing exactly what you accuse others of - trying to separate the social from the economic.

 

[Fruitloop]

Seldom has such violence been done to poor Mr Sartre's political opinions. He's dead goddammit, leave him alone.

 

[audiotech]

How about some Karl Popper to remind the liberal class?

If we extend unlimited tolerance even to those who are intolerant, if we are not prepared to defend a tolerant society against the onslaught of the intolerant, then the tolerant will be destroyed, and tolerance with them.

http://www.commondreams.org/view/2011/03/14

 

[8ball]

How about some Karl Popper to remind the liberal class?

What are you talking about?

 

[audiotech]

Liberals.

 

[8ball]

Liberals.

Sorry, caught up in the derail, guess you were talking about the actual thread topic

And I don't agree in the slightest - the measures taken against the idiot in question aren't to do with extending some kind of indulgent abstracted tolerance but deny him perfectly normal and reasonable liberties relating to the behaviour of a legal political group. He's not even allowed on the website ffs!

 

[trevhagl]

its an awkward one - should fascists be able to march into asian areas with the sole intention of causing trouble?

 

[Streathamite]

It's true, like this propaganda

Eat Well
Move More
Live Longer

http://www.nhs.uk/change4life/Pages/change-for-life.aspx

Has it ever occurred to you that it might be the NHS's remit to do things like that?

 

[SpineyNorman]

Has it ever occurred to you that it might be the NHS's remit to do things like that?

You might think that but thankfully we have enlightened liberals like Moon23 to inform us that it is, in fact, more of this creeping totalitarianism he's been warning us about. The other day my dad's doctor told him that he should cut down on sugary foods since he's just been diagnosed with diabetes. He's clearly just as bad as that Mengele fella.

 

[Streathamite]

You might think that but thankfully we have enlightened liberals like Moon23 to inform us that it is, in fact, more of this creeping totalitarianism he's been warning us about. The other day my dad's doctor told him that he should cut down on sugary foods since he's just been diagnosed with diabetes. He's clearly just as bad as that Mengele fella.

The utter (health) fascist!

 

[likesfish]

my neighbour and I are planning to hang the first liberal democrat to step foot on the road few more neighbours are intrested got some climbing rope