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Is Elon Musk the greatest visionary or the greatest snake oil salesman of our age?

Nearly 3 years old that one.
Anyone using crashing SpaceX rockets as a means of bashing Musk would do better to pick any of the thousand other weapons available. "Build, fly, crash, learn" is how they turned Falcon 9 into the most reliable (and most prolific, and cheapest) rocket ever made.

Falcon 9 is not the most reliable rocket ever made, despite what musk fanboys would have you believe.

The Saturn V had a 100% reliable record - never failing on a single flight, including test flights.
 
Tbf most of what the Saturns launched didn't make it back intact (by design), which is what's made Falcon so successful.

It should be possible to extricate what is a genuinely amazing feat of engineering by very talented and dedicated people at a given company from the posturing, preening displays of glory theft by their boss.
 
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Falcon 9 is not the most reliable rocket ever made, despite what musk fanboys would have you believe.

The Saturn V had a 100% reliable record - never failing on a single flight, including test flights.
That's not how statistics work. More sample points = greater certainty. 226 in a row without fault > 13 in a row. And that's if you count Apollo 6 as 100% success, which it wasn't.

I didn't want to get into a statistics argument anyway. The point is that SpaceX is doing extraordinary work and "haha starship went boom" a) misunderstands their methods and b) is a really weak dunk on Musk. He expects them to go boom, has watched plenty before go boom and will see many more.

Far easier to rip on his racism, antisemetism, anti-unionism and bullying, which are a) objectively worse and b) directly his fault
 
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Nevertheless, Saturn V has a 100% record, the Falcon 9 does not.

And the Saturn V booster still got Apollo 6 into orbit. :thumbs:
 

oops :)

Best not try to sell them in the first year though, Musk will fine you :eek:
 
The strain seems to be getting to him. He really doesn't look well.

Message to advertisers: "go fuck yourselves" :eek:


Just about to paste this from the Telegraph

Elon Musk, the billionaire owner of X, says that companies who have joined a growing advertising boycott against the social media platform can “go f--- yourself”.

He said that he did not want those companies to advertise because they were trying to “blackmail” him with money.

“What it’s going to do is it’s going to kill the company, and the whole world will know the advertisers killed the company,” he told a New York Times conference on Wednesday.

Advertisers including Apple, IBM and Disney cancelled their advertising with X, formerly known as Twitter, after Mr Musk was accused of supporting an anti-Semitic conspiracy theory.

Mr Musk conceded that his post, which was accused of being anti-Semitic, was the “worst and dumbest I’ve ever done”.

On Monday, Mr Musk told Isaac Herzog, Israel’s President, that he would do “everything possible to stop the hate” on X. He claimed he was against anti-Semitism of any kind.

But on Tuesday, the backlash against Mr Musk grew after he boosted a series of tweets referring to “Pizzagate”, which falsely claims that members of the Democratic Party ran a child sex ring out of a Washington DC pizza restaurant.

This caused the Washington Post, owned by Amazon founder Jeff Bezos, to join the boycott.

X is believed to have lost over 60pc of its advertisers since Musk took over the company in a $44bn (£35bn) deal on October 27 last year as advertisers have taken fright.

The social media company also appears to be losing favour with its users. On Tuesday, figures were released showing that it had a total UK adult monthly audience of 24 million in May this year, down from 26.8 million at the same time last year, according to media regulator Ofcom.

Mr Musk, the world’s richest person, has seemed to have a Midas touch with some of his other businesses, notably PayPal and Tesla, but observers have questioned whether his investment in Twitter was a distraction at a time when Tesla is facing growing competition, especially from the Chinese electric vehicle manufacturer BYD, which is backed by the investor Warren Buffet.

X responded to an email asking for comment with an automated message saying that it was “busy now”
 
Twitter advertising is terrible. Last two weeks all i get is endless ads for horse riding related t-shirts! How they've got me down to be the target audience for this I can't imagine

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I would've loved it if Musk told Disney Sorry. Cant. Horses. Bye.


Is anyone getting ads for something that isn't tat?
 
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Despite appearances I'm not using Twitter as much as I used to, and the algorithm doesn't know how to cope..NFTs, crypto, at one extreme; those tacky time saving gadgets you get in B&M at the other.
 
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