Is Corbyn capable of winning a general election?

[YouSir]

quite so. and i think i would find it hard to vote for JC. full disclosure: i'm a lab voter & always have been, and a mostly paid-up party member. i cannot blindly vote for a leader i do not believe in however.

Who will be you be voting for in the leadership election then?

 

[Spymaster]

He's been winning in GEs since 1983. Other labour MPs have not been so fortunate, however.

The OP obviously means, can Labour win a GE with JC as leader.

Why he didn't just ask that, I don't know.

 

[fuck seals]

Who will be you be voting for in the leadership election then?

the one i believe will do the best job & by secret ballot.

piss off.

 

[YouSir]

the one i believe will do the best job & by secret ballot.

piss off.

I asked a question, nothing more. Check your attitude.

 

[fuck seals]

I asked a question, nothing more. Check your attitude.

& i gave you an answer, albeit curtly, as i found it intrusive. now piss off

 

[YouSir]

& i gave you an answer, albeit curtly, as i found it intrusive. now piss off

Angela Eagle it is then.

 

[Pickman's model]

Angela Eagle it is then.

and i rest my 'wrong un' case.

 

[Pickman's model]

The OP obviously means, can Labour win a GE with JC as leader.

Why he didn't just ask that, I don't know.

i put it to you, mr diamond, that the thread would have been better established with a question which more accurately captured the information you sought to elicit.

 

[Pickman's model]

The OP obviously means, can Labour win a GE with JC as leader.

Why he didn't just ask that, I don't know.

you've ended in the wrong un corner

 

[littlebabyjesus]

Dunno.

As others have said, it's not all down to Corbyn. But would I like there to be an election in which Labour is led by Corbyn or someone like him? I can answer that question - the answer is 'yes', and I would vote for them.

 

[J Ed]

I am not convinced that Labour can win a general election in 2020 but I think that it would be more likely to win with Corbyn, or someone with his politics, than it would with a more right-wing candidate. I think that a lot of people forget just how disliked the Labour Party itself is, the right of the party is currently behaving as if the party would be electoral dynamite if only Corbyn was removed despite polling showing him doing better than Eagle or Smith. In my experience from chatting with people I can say that one thing that seems to drive Labour voters to UKIP is the (not at all unfair) idea that Labour is a party of the rich and is for the rich, or at least is for middle-class professionals.

Corbyn stands at least a chance of breaking that narrative and reconnecting with those voters, I don't think the odds of it are great but it is at least within the realms of possibility. Another technocratic managerial leader will kill off any chance of that forever. That's before we get to specific policies, I do not understand how anyone in the Labour Party can think that favouring a second referendum is a good idea, it would bring so many areas into play where UKIP are the main opposition to Labour.

 

[a_chap]

no he's not the messiah. this is not a thread asking if he is the messiah.

He's not the messiah, he's a very naughty boy.

 

[littlebabyjesus]

The whole point of a Corbyn-led Labour party, for me at least, is that it may be a party worth electing. tbh that's about all I ask for at the moment.

 

[weltweit]

I think for Corbyn to win a general election he would need to be leading a united labour party (including the PLP), with policies that they and he promote and unite behind.

The tories are getting their act together quickly, if there was a snap general election they would have to be favourites but what happens between now and 2020 is anyone's guess.

 

[Obediah Marsh]

Labour need to win back Scotland. Corbyn can probably do this better than any likely rival (n.b. his position on Trident)

 

[Cid]

Nope - i think he is probably the soundest politician to lead a party for years, but that doesn't make him electable. We (as a nation) like our leaders to have gravitas and charisma and something of the statesman/woman about them. And as much as i love Jezza, he is seen as a grumpy old scruffy pinko by a lot of the population, spurred on by the hateful media.

We need a Justin Trudeau, that'll lead Labour to a glorious victory.

John Major.

 

[ferrelhadley]

Next Prime Minister Betting Odds | British Politics | Oddschecker

5/1

The Tories have won 10 to Labour's 8 post war elections (74 and 2010 counted as Lab\Con leaders were PMs.) So 5/4.

A guy who takes money from Press TV to host a call in or two then turns up in the national stage claiming to be all about LGBT rights is not someone you are going to struggle to portray as insincere to key voter demographics. Single market == free movement may break up the Tory party, we may end up in a global depression, who knows. He has a chance. I think 5/1 is generous.

 

[free spirit]

Labour need to win back Scotland. Corbyn can probably do this better than any likely rival (n.b. his position on Trident)

or more realistically, Labour need to get on board with the concept of probably needing to be in coalition or a confidence and supply minority govenment deal with the SNP and possibly others.

They could then focus their efforts on winning seats elsewhere rather than attempting to win back seats that would already be supporting a labour government if the electoral maths stacked up that way.

 

[brogdale]

& i gave you an answer, albeit curtly, as i found it intrusive. now piss off

On the electoral register under surname Fuck-seals, then?

 

[fuck seals]

On the electoral register under surname Fuck-seals, then?

clearly not. i'm on these boards as FS, and others know me & my name. my vote is by secret ballot: is that so hard to grasp? apologies if this comes across as snippy, my voting secrecy is mine.

 

[brogdale]

clearly not. i'm on these boards as FS, and others know me & my name. my vote is by secret ballot: is that so hard to grasp? apologies if this comes across as snippy, my voting secrecy is mine.

Not snippy, merely inconsistent. Happy to say who you're agin, but reluctant to say who you're for. Very odd anonymised internet behaviour.

 

[redsquirrel]

, my voting secrecy is mine.

Apart from the part where you just stated you were a Labour voter.

Maybe you can go on national radio and cry about how people are bullying you.

 

[fuck seals]

meh. inconsistent and odd: i can live with that.

agin?

 

[Smoking kills]

The narrative pushed by UKIP and the outers was partly that they were in some way agin the "establishment". It's becoming clear that the political class, the cuntocracy, call them what you will, are daggers drawn against Jezza.
A lot of young, poor, old Labour, soon to be disillusioned kippers and so on are getting wise to the PLP/BBC/ Oxbridge PPE onslaught. Social media is a fairly new factor in UK politics and the plotters don't seem to have a clue.If they lose the PLP backstabbers and their allies will need to be put back in their box, and quick. I think we've heard enough of their whining.
If Corbyn holds his nerve and if the Party unite behind and get a grip then I think yes, there's a chance.

 

[krtek a houby]

But mostly

 

[butchersapron]

 

[oryx]

I think for Corbyn to win a general election he would need to be leading a united labour party (including the PLP), with policies that they and he promote and unite behind.

Yes, and he/they need to be really, really hammering home messages about anti-austerity, rail re-nationalisation, the NHS being a lot safer in their hands etc. These will all be popular policies with the general body of the electorate not just members.

 

[butchersapron]

 

[Sue]

Well this is going well for the 'Maquis'.

 

[tim]

i think i'm asking if it's even a cap...

corbyn is not the messiah, imo. altho he has the beard for it. i just cannot see him winning.

I'm glad you cleared that up, otherwise, given previous experience of Messiahs, we might have hung on until 4020 waiting for him to win.