How much evidence is there of long term high level UK paedophile ring?
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ViolentPanda
Hardly getting over it.
Nope. The only "scrutiny" is internal, with a mild dusting of political oversight/"scrutiny" from the Intelligence & Security Committee, which is like charging a sheep with oversight of wolves.
ViolentPanda
Hardly getting over it.
Probably none. Those who have qualms are aware that they may be "dealt with", so it's good old-fashioned self-interest at play.
dylanredefined
Not a house elf a tiger
Latest story is the met were told to back off doing cyril smith as a matter of national security!
When was Cyril Smith important? All I remember is a fat bloke being a professional Yorkshire man hardly near the reigns of power. Unless he could bring others down with him can't see any reason for the powers to be caring if he got done. Or am I missing something?
When was Cyril Smith important? All I remember is a fat bloke being a professional Yorkshire man hardly near the reigns of power. Unless he could bring others down with him can't see any reason for the powers to be caring if he got done. Or am I missing something?
ViolentPanda
Hardly getting over it.
ViolentPanda
Hardly getting over it.
Smith had a fair few fingers in local pies,and in parliamentary committees.
teqniq
DisMembered
It's probably got something to do with him being connected to all kinds of other high-profile people who did have their hands on the levers of power and they were afraid that if he was bought to court he would talk.
i think it's the 'bringing others down' dylanredefined
if it is true, as reported, that a senior member of the intelligence services was present you can see he was pretty keyed in to a wider network.
if it is true, as reported, that a senior member of the intelligence services was present you can see he was pretty keyed in to a wider network.
Bernie Gunther
Fundamentalist Druid
What Newsnight / Exxaro seem to be suggesting is that he attended many sadistic child-buggering parties with senior spooks/cops and other VIPs and had threatened to name them (or it was assumed that there was some sort of implicit Mutual Assured Destruction pact among the Westminster child-raping toff community in general)
Smith may have been a Yorkshireman and only an honorary toff by virtue of being an MP, but presumably others (given that at least one senior spook is mentioned) went to Eton or someplace like that and we can't be having people who went to Eton being charged with raping care-home kids as though they were common nonces can we now?
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dylanredefined
Not a house elf a tiger
Oh right wondered why.
ViolentPanda
Hardly getting over it.
There's a massively-high rate of suicide (about 2.5x population norm) among care-leavers who've been abused in care or have alleged abuse in care (same thing as far as I'm concerned, most of the time). The survivors know that this is a waiting game - that "The Establishment" is waiting until so few are left that their testimony can be smothered.
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
Yes, it's a keep your hands away from that piece of string situation, do not pull it.
Patteran
A nowadays excuse
I guess that without really thinking about it I'd categorised Kincora as a one-off, as another rotten episode in the Irish war, filed alongside troops on the streets & collusion, etc. Nasty shit that the British state employed when feeling threatened, rather than standard operating procedure in the nation's capital.
Louis MacNeice
Autumn Journalist
Do you really think they just made up some new innovative 'nasty shit' with no previous experience?
Cheers - Louis MacNeice
Patteran
A nowadays excuse
No, I don't. But colonial powers act differently at home & abroad, in war & in peace. And I was shocked to hear that cops were blind eyeing abuse in London under spook orders. I accept that may be naive.
Edited to add - 'one off' was sloppy - I meant a rare occurrence, not a unique occurrence.
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DotCommunist
So many particulars. So many questions.
for the good of the realm
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
Don't get it either. If Smith and Savile knew very important names to be involved and at the same time were out of control as revelations now show us why didn't the security services just kill them if they were such a risk?
Really don't get why they weren't killed if everything was meant to be hushed up.
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
Because they were providing new info. Why don't supermarkets kill all their customers? Or bosses their workers? Or the state their killers in ireland? This is how it works.
Yes.
It seems to me that within the security services the point was to collect information on people's "little peccadilloes" and to keep it: it was currency.
And for the Whip's Office, for that matter.
Come that important funding vote...
dylanredefined
Not a house elf a tiger
Though you know your bosses hate you if you have to make cyril smith disappear. Not like you could just dump in a boot of an escort was it?
UrbaneFox
They've doubled in price
Naw, not that Kincora
not-bono-ever
meh
its strange, but lizards aside, some of what the Ickeans have been banging on about seems to be coming true. then again, its the law of averages that some shit will stick I spose.
anyway, it looks like their fourm is being upgraded
http://www.davidicke.com/forum/index.php
or may be not...
anyway, it looks like their fourm is being upgraded
http://www.davidicke.com/forum/index.php
or may be not...
The notororius Scallywag Magazine which led the charge 20 years ago with this particular hare is now all available online and by reading a few issues you can get to most of the names that are in the frame. Be warned though it is like swimming in a sewer crawling through his accusations and highly un-pc innuendoes.
http://www.thedossier.info/scallywag-magazine.htm
http://www.thedossier.info/scallywag-magazine.htm
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He's lost his first libel for £117,000 - so mods over their will be reviewing their untouchability no doubt.
http://www.richardwarman.ca/
tommers
Busta Rhymes is an unstoppable movement
If nothing else it shows that they're too stupid to be judges.Where to post the information about the pervy judges looking at porn on their work computers?
It doesn't warrant a new thread, but I am glad they got their comeuppance!
Not here. It's irrelevant. All it shows is that some middle-aged men don't understand how the internet works. Hardly a surprise really.
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