Hong Kong: what next?

[platinumsage]

A swarm of cops raided and searched the offices of pro-democracy newspaper Apple Daily Monday morning. Seven people, including founder Jimmy Lai and one of his sons, were arrested under the new security law for allegedly "colluding with foreign forces to jeopardise national security."

These are chilling images to see from a place once renowned for its free press, Hong Kong is so fucked.

They got the other son too:

Police search restaurant owned by Jimmy Lai's son

The police have searched Cafe Seasons in Central, a restaurant owned by media mogul Jimmy Lai Chee-ying's second son, Ian Lai, this afternoon.After about 20 minutes, officers seized a pile of docu...

www.thestandard.com.hk

 

[mwgdrwg]

It's just fucked up isn't it

 

[krtek a houby]

British cops involved in brutalising protesters?


In May the activists appealed for witnesses to come forward and to describe their experiences of police abuse. Some have done so, but many are too scared to give testimony, Pulford said. Protesters have suffered physical and psychological harm, as well as sexual abuse in police custody, he alleged.

Activists launch London legal action against UK officers in Hong Kong police

 

[Yossarian]

After the raid and its founder's arrest, Apple Daily printed 350,000 copies of Tuesday's edition, up from 70,000 on a normal day.

People were lining up to buy them at newsstands at 2am - somebody in this 7-11 paid for every copy and left them for people to have freebies.

 

[Yossarian]

They ended up having to print another 200,000 copies - there's something very heartwarming about the video in the story below of the printing presses working overtime to catch up with demand from all the people buying Apple Daily, it's like something from an old movie. And also like in old movies, the bad guys here are almost cartoonishly evil, hard to imagine that they will ultimately prevail, no matter how bleak the situation might seem right now.

In Pictures: Hongkongers clear shelves of Apple Daily in protest over Jimmy Lai arrest and newsroom raid | Hong Kong Free Press HKFP

Hongkongers emptied newspaper racks across the city as they rushed to purchase Apple Daily on Tuesday morning, in a show of support for the pro-democracy newspaper after the arrest the previous day of its owner Jimmy Lai and a police raid on its newsroom. The raid, carried out under a...

hongkongfp.com

 

[Yossarian]

Shares in Apple Daily's parent company have also risen 788% since Monday - they dipped a little after the arrest but surged after online calls to support the newspaper. At around 1p each, I definitely would have bought a few if I had any idea how to go about buying shares.

錯誤 - RTHK

錯誤 - RTHK

news.rthk.hk

 

[Yossarian]

Three people observe a moment of silence for a protester who fell to his death, get fined $2,000 each for breaking the two-person limit on gatherings. By a group of a dozen cops.

錯誤 - RTHK

錯誤 - RTHK

news.rthk.hk

 

[gosub]

U.S. slams HSBC over treatment of Hong Kong customers, says China 'bullying' UK

U.S. Secretary of State Mike Pompeo on Wednesday renewed criticism of British bank HSBC <HSBA.L> for its reported treatment of customers linked with the pro-democracy movement in Hong Kong, saying China was "bullying" the United Kingdom.

www.reuters.com

 

[Donald H]

If the US and Britain can't stay the hell out of H.K.'s affairs then China needs to reneg on the agreement, whack the protesters that are put up to no good by the US, and envelope H.K. completely within China's rule!

No doubt that's going to have to be the end result. China can't allow a situation similar to that in the US where a few billionaires reap the benefits of all of society's hard work. We're now in the 21st. century and there's barely enough to go around to the masses to begin with

Greedy US style capitalism is over, dead, going, gone. Socially responsible capitalism as is practiced in the world's leading democracies is now the minimum standard.

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[Yossarian]

If the US and Britain can't stay the hell out of H.K.'s affairs then China needs to reneg on the agreement, whack the protesters that are put up to no good by the US, and envelope H.K. completely within China's rule!

Fuck off.

 

[Rimbaud]

If the US and Britain can't stay the hell out of H.K.'s affairs then China needs to reneg on the agreement, whack the protesters that are put up to no good by the US, and envelope H.K. completely within China's rule!

No doubt that's going to have to be the end result. China can't allow a situation similar to that in the US where a few billionaires reap the benefits of all of society's hard work. We're now in the 21st. century and there's barely enough to go around to the masses to begin with

Greedy US style capitalism is over, dead, going, gone. Socially responsible capitalism as is practiced in the world's leading democracies is now the minimum standard.

Canada ranked #1 country in the world for Quality of Life | News

For the fifth year in a row, Canada is ranked the #1 country in the world in 2020 for Quality of Life, according to a global ranking from US News.

dailyhive.com

Check out the top ten and also what the parameters are they have met to get there.

Oh "interfering in internal affairs" is it? You could at least pretend not to be a Wumao.

The government of HK clearly does not represent the people of HK. Millions of people took to the streets and the local elections showed a clear majority in favour of the pan-democratic parties who are essentially barred.

The HK government should stop interfering in the affairs of the HK people and actually represent them instead.

And socially responsible capitalism? Meaning China's fascist system which has destroyed their environment for the sake of GDP figures, with even greater social inequality and even fewer social programs than the USA, with a government packed with billionaires who send all their mistresses and illegitimate children to live in mansions in Western countries off the money they took from the Chinese people while spouting horseshit about patriotism at home, which has slave labour from ethnic minorities in the supply chains, which practises ethnic cleansing, which tightly controls the media and social media and conducts mass surveillance of people's private conversations?

The CCP under Xi Jinping are not a legitimate government, they are a one man dictatorship leading a fascist cult. They do not represent Hong Kong people. Any expansion of Xi's fascist system is a threat to all people, everywhere, and it is everyone's business to support Hong Kong and oppose Xi Jinping, just as it was everyone's business to oppose the Nazis.

 

[Donald H]

Oh "interfering in internal affairs" is it? You could at least pretend not to be a Wumao.

The government of HK clearly does not represent the people of HK. Millions of people took to the streets and the local elections showed a clear majority in favour of the pan-democratic parties who are essentially barred.

The HK government should stop interfering in the affairs of the HK people and actually represent them instead.

And socially responsible capitalism? Meaning China's fascist system which has destroyed their environment for the sake of GDP figures, with even greater social inequality and even fewer social programs than the USA, with a government packed with billionaires who send all their mistresses and illegitimate children to live in mansions in Western countries off the money they took from the Chinese people while spouting horseshit about patriotism at home, which has slave labour from ethnic minorities in the supply chains, which practises ethnic cleansing, which tightly controls the media and social media and conducts mass surveillance of people's private conversations?

The CCP under Xi Jinping are not a legitimate government, they are a one man dictatorship leading a fascist cult. They do not represent Hong Kong people. Any expansion of Xi's fascist system is a threat to all people, everywhere, and it is everyone's business to support Hong Kong and oppose Xi Jinping, just as it was everyone's business to oppose the Nazis.

Don't be a dinosaur Rimbaud, those species have gone extinct. There's little wonder that the people of H.K. would prefer the greedy capitalist status quo and it's no mystery why. If you live in H.K., chances are you're not going to be in favour of sharing the wealth. Hey, I've been there a few times and I've seen how it works.

China is being very charitable by putting up with all the US/British interference but they won't continue with that for long.

The people of China are hugely supportive of Xi. Why wouldn't they be when he and the party has done so much good for the people? And not to even have to mention, China will lead the world in pretty well everything except military might in the near future. On that, they already have what's needed to stop the US from winning a war against China.

 

[Rimbaud]

Don't be a dinosaur Rimbaud, those species have gone extinct. There's little wonder that the people of H.K. would prefer the greedy capitalist status quo and it's no mystery why. If you live in H.K., chances are you're not going to be in favour of sharing the wealth. Hey, I've been there a few times and I've seen how it works.

China is being very charitable by putting up with all the US/British interference but they won't continue with that for long.

The people of China are hugely supportive of Xi. Why wouldn't they be when he and the party has done so much good for the people? And not to even have to mention, China will lead the world in pretty well everything except military might in the near future. On that, they already have what's needed to stop the US from winning a war against China.

Actually a lot of the HK protestors were not rich - get the story straight, are the protestors poor 废青(trash youth) or rich capitalists? Let me guess, you Wumao scum say one thing to leftist forums and another to Conservative forums?

You aren't fooling anyone, the entire world sees the CCP for what it is now, it's already too late. You're on the wrong side. Get a real job, you aren't convincing anyone, you don't know enough political theory or world politics to engage with foreign leftists in a convincing way, all you are doing is raising awareness of how much the CCP have their tentacles everywhere.

A lot of the rich HK capitalists were the first to support the CCP in the name of "stability", and China's bourgeoisie is very much in bed with the CCP.

How do you know they are hugely supportive of Xi when dissenting views are routinely repressed? It is easy to have popular support when you control the media and social media and only good news is shown. Nevertheless, I know a huge number of Chinese people who secretly dislike or hate the CCP, but dare not express this in public. As a Wumao you are presumably a CCP member, so they certainly won't express their true feelings in front of you. One day you might have a nasty shock when you realise that not everyone agrees with you, they just keep quiet to avoid being bullied into silence by your despicable little gang of fascist thugs.

There are a ton of Chinese on Pincong.rocks who hate the CCP. If open debate in China wouldn't naturally lead to opposition to the CCP, then they wouldn't need to constantly monitor social media or block out 99% of the internet.

And how is China any less "greedy capitalist" than the US? Why don't you check how its GINI coefficient is doing?

 

[Donald H]

Actually a lot of the HK protestors were not rich - get the story straight, are the protestors poor 废青(trash youth) or rich capitalists? Let me guess, you Wumao scum say one thing to leftist forums and another to Conservative forums?

You aren't fooling anyone, the entire world sees the CCP for what it is now, its already too late. You're on the wrong side. Get a real job, you aren't convincing anyone, you don't know enough political theory or world politics to engage with foreign leftists in a convincing way, all you are doing is raising awareness of how much the CCP have their tentacles everywhere.

A lot of the rich HK capitalists were the first to support the CCP in the name of "stability", and China's bourgeoisie is very much in bed with the CCP.

How do you know they are hugely supportive of Xi when dissenting views are routinely repressed? It is easy to have popular support when you control the media and social media and only good news is shown. Nevertheless, I know a huge number of Chinese people who secretly dislike or hate the CCP, but dare not express this in public. As a Wumao you are presumably a CCP member, so they certainly won't express their true feelings in front of you. One day you might have a nasty shock when you realise that not everyone agrees with you, they just keep quiet to avoid being bullied into silence by your despicable little gang of fascist thugs.

There are a ton of Chinese on Pincong.rocks who hate the CCP. If open debate in China wouldn't naturally lead to opposition to the CCP, then they wouldn't need to constantly monitor social media or block out 99% of the internet.

And how is China any less "greedy capitalist" than the US? Why don't you check how its GINI coefficient is doing?

You're too much into Western hate propaganda for me to deal with in a limited amount of time. Suffice to say, the West's propaganda campaign is due to lose again if China is pushed too much.

The issue I will gladly revisit from time to time is on the fact that the world's countries are choosing trade relations with China while they drop relations with the US. What a bummer eh Rimbaud!

And Dog bless the M.A.D. factor that has kept the world safe from a full scale US led nuclear war!.

How to Choose Between the U.S. and China? It’s Not That Easy.

Caught between its security ally and its top trading partner, South Korea is trying to have it all.

www.theatlantic.com

Ha! Countries don't have a choice. The US can't even come close to competing with China. And security with the US doesn't buy anything anymore in a world in which there are no enemies to fear. Anybody seriously fuks with my country, we nuke em.

 

[gosub]

You're too much into Western hate propaganda for me to deal with in a limited amount of time. Suffice to say, the West's propaganda campaign is due to lose again if China is pushed too much.

The issue I will gladly revisit from time to time is on the fact that the world's countries are choosing trade relations with China while they drop relations with the US. What a bummer eh Rimbaud!

And Dog bless the M.A.D. factor that has kept the world safe from a full scale US led nuclear war!.

How to Choose Between the U.S. and China? It’s Not That Easy.

Caught between its security ally and its top trading partner, South Korea is trying to have it all.

www.theatlantic.com

Ha! Countries don't have a choice. The US can't even come close to competing with China. And security with the US doesn't buy anything anymore in a world in which there are no enemies to fear. Anybody seriously fuks with my country, we nuke em.

You wouldn't know truth even if you wanted to.

 

[Rimbaud]

You're too much into Western hate propaganda for me to deal with in a limited amount of time. Suffice to say, the West's propaganda campaign is due to lose again if China is pushed too much.

The issue I will gladly revisit from time to time is on the fact that the world's countries are choosing trade relations with China while they drop relations with the US. What a bummer eh Rimbaud!

And Dog bless the M.A.D. factor that has kept the world safe from a full scale US led nuclear war!.

Ehm, I have no love for the US. The US is nothing to do with this.

My opinion on China is formed by years living there, not by "western hate propaganda."

And you are deluded. Japan is subsidising their companies to decouple from China, India has blocked all Chinese investment and apps, Chinese trade talks with the EU are going nowhere because they aren't tolerating bullshit promises anymore and the EU has labelled them a systemic rival, Australia and New Zealand are reducing economic exposure to China, countries of South East Asia are pushing back against Chinese territorial claims and seeking to balance away from China by working with India and Japan, Taiwan is implementing a Southbound policy to reduce exposure to China and develop closer relations with SE Asia. The "17+1" summit was a flop and only Serbia and Greece bothered to turn up, the other Eastern European countries shunned you. India and Japan are working together on the Asia Africa Growth Corridor to compete with China in Africa, and within Africa there is a backlash against neo-colonialism and racism associated with One Belt One Road projects.

In what planet are countries dropping trade with the US in favour of China? You need to stop getting all your news from 今日头条and nationalist tabloid garbage on Wechat. Your leadership is fucking up their diplomacy so badly these days precisely because they are out of touch with reality by brainwashing themselves into thinking they are the centre of the world.

Everything points to the Asian economic centre of gravity shifting away from China and to the "Indo-Pacific" region of South East Asia, India, Japan, Taiwan, with China becoming peripheral in future, which is 100% down to their own diplomatic idiocy, aggressive nationalism, and the unattractive nature of their fascist political system.

By talking about the US you are missing the point. Is the US in decline? Undoubtably. Will China "replace" it? Not a chance in hell. We are heading to a more multipolar world, with India, ASEAN, China, the EU, Russia, Japan, and perhaps the African Union all playing major roles with no dominant power. By seeking too forcefully to create a sinocentric world order, all Xi has done is condemn them to return to a peripheral role for, very likely, the rest of the century.

 

[krtek a houby]

Anybody seriously fuks with my country, we nuke em.

And which country would that be, today?

 

[Rimbaud]

Anybody seriously fuks with my country, we nuke em.

If your job is to post propaganda to make people more sympathetic to the Chinese government, well, then, you failed.

This attitude you just expressed there is precisely why countries are trying to distance themselves and their economies from China these days.

It is a slow process and will take several years to take hold, but it is well and truly under way and a serious long term blow to China's position. I don't think you are really understanding how much damage you are doing to your own country's interests with this ridiculous wolf warrior willy waving. And nor does Xi, apparently - that's what you get when you make your entire country an echo chamber: idiotic leadership.

The US also has idiotic leadership but it probably won't last more than another few months. You however are stuck with Xi until he dies, and he will double down on his mistakes to avoid admitting he was wrong and that his understanding of global politics is infantile, causing severe long term damage to China unless somebody does something about him.

 

[maomao]

Anybody seriously fuks with my country, we nuke em.

Didn't know Canada was so aggressive.

Seriously, fuck off.

 

[gosub]

 

[moochedit]

And which country would that be, today?

Didn't know Canada was so aggressive.

Seriously, fuck off.

Pretty sure canada dosen't have any nukes.

 

[moochedit]

Is this "susan edelman" who got banned the other week for iffy posts about "tik tok"?

 

[krtek a houby]

Is this "susan edelman" who got banned the other week for iffy posts about "tik tok"?

Reminds me of Deadstick, from a month or two back. Ach, whatever. Something as momentous and potentially murderous as the HK situation is going to attract a few dubious voices.

 

[Rimbaud]

Pretty sure canada dosen't have any nukes.

English speaking Wumao often like to claim they are from Canada, because many of them are children of the CCP who were sent to live in Canada, therefore they think they can be convincingly Canadian. I have absolutely no time for these people, the spoiled children of corrupt officials who sing patriotism at home to fool the Chinese masses into obedience while they rob them blind and meanwhile stash all their money in real estate in western countries where they send their families to live overseas. These people are the lowest of the low, from the nastiest, most ruthless, hypocritical and dishonest of families, and on the day where Chinese people realise how much they've been conned by these hypocrites there will be a long overdue and well deserved reckoning.

Nevertheless, despite having the privilege of living in a foreign country, they still choose to live in a Wechat bubble so have only the most superficial understanding of the local political culture. I know many highly intelligent and talented Chinese people who have worked 14 hours a day 7 days a week in a vain effort to save money to get the opportunity to study abroad, while these privileged mediocrities get it handed to them by 贪官(corrupt official) daddy, and the opportunity is totally wasted on them due to their intellectual inadequacies and xenophobic, parochial mentality. As a result they aren't very effective propagandists but have outsized egos due to the unearned privileges that they enjoy thanks to their corrupt and criminal families.

They are incredibly unimpressive people and a deep embarrassment to their country.

Fortunately, they are so useless that they will spell the end of CCP rule. The earlier generations of rulers were tough and hardy people with physical courage and a sense of commitment. The new generation of spoiled entitled brats who think they are superior because they have been given opportunities most hard working Chinese could only dream of will be the end of the CCP, and people like this filling up the ranks of the Chinese government is a big part of why they suddenly appear to be so incompetent. Even the re-emergence of one man rule is only made possible by the emergence of a lazy and selfish political base who only think of their career and won't rock the boat. The Deng, Jiang, or even Hu era of the CCP wouldn't have accepted the return to one man dictatorship like meek little sheep as this generation has - it is telling that most of the party insiders who have spoke out against Xi are a bit older. They are from a generation who didn't inherit all their political status from their parents, so are made of sterner stuff and have a bit more integrity.

 

[Streathamite]

Socially responsible capitalism as is practiced in the world's leading democracies is now the minimum standard.

Fuck me, you really are mental.
Do you realise just how small the population of scandinavian countries is? Ditto, the kiwis?

 

[Streathamite]

Fuck me, you really are mental.
Do you realise just how small the population of scandinavian countries is? Ditto, the kiwis?

e2a: and socially responsible capitalism is a myth.

 

[Streathamite]

English speaking Wumao often like to claim they are from Canada, because many of them are children of the CCP who were sent to live in Canada, therefore they think they can be convincingly Canadian. I have absolutely no time for these people, the spoiled children of corrupt officials who sing patriotism at home to fool the Chinese masses into obedience while they rob them blind and meanwhile stash all their money in real estate in western countries where they send their families to live overseas. These people are the lowest of the low, from the nastiest, most ruthless, hypocritical and dishonest of families, and on the day where Chinese people realise how much they've been conned by these hypocrites there will be a long overdue and well deserved reckoning.

Nevertheless, despite having the privilege of living in a foreign country, they still choose to live in a Wechat bubble so have only the most superficial understanding of the local political culture. I know many highly intelligent and talented Chinese people who have worked 14 hours a day 7 days a week in a vain effort to save money to get the opportunity to study abroad, while these privileged mediocrities get it handed to them by 贪官(corrupt official) daddy, and the opportunity is totally wasted on them due to their intellectual inadequacies and xenophobic, parochial mentality. As a result they aren't very effective propagandists but have outsized egos due to the unearned privileges that they enjoy thanks to their corrupt and criminal families.

They are incredibly unimpressive people and a deep embarrassment to their country.

Fortunately, they are so useless that they will spell the end of CCP rule. The earlier generations of rulers were tough and hardy people with physical courage and a sense of commitment. The new generation of spoiled entitled brats who think they are superior because they have been given opportunities most hard working Chinese could only dream of will be the end of the CCP, and people like this filling up the ranks of the Chinese government is a big part of why they suddenly appear to be so incompetent. Even the re-emergence of one man rule is only made possible by the emergence of a lazy and selfish political base who only think of their career and won't rock the boat. The Deng, Jiang, or even Hu era of the CCP wouldn't have accepted the return to one man dictatorship like meek little sheep as this generation has - it is telling that most of the party insiders who have spoke out against Xi are a bit older. They are from a generation who didn't inherit all their political status from their parents, so are made of sterner stuff and have a bit more integrity.

Thank you for teaching me about a new word - Wumao - and its' meaning

 

[Donald H]

Thank you for teaching me about a new word - Wumao - and its' meaning

That's inevitably going to happen Streath. IF it's not Wumao then it's going to be some other similar accusation. The reason being that it's intolerable to him, you, and some others that a Canadian would be so outspoken. Canada and Canadians are highly respected as having valid unbiased opinions and those opinions must of necessity be in line with US/Nato propaganda.

Your next move is to promote some sort of 'troll' explanation which can be used to silence unpopular opinions on most forums such as this. Would that please you Streath?

 

[Streathamite]

That's inevitably going to happen Streath. IF it's not Wumao then it's going to be some other similar accusation. The reason being that it's intolerable to him, you, and some others that a Canadian would be so outspoken. Canada and Canadians are highly respected as having valid unbiased opinions and those opinions must of necessity be in line with US/Nato propaganda.

Your next move is to promote some sort of 'troll' explanation which can be used to silence unpopular opinions on most forums such as this. Would that please you Streath?

Oh what total bullshit.
First, I was simply saying I'd not heard the term till now.
Second, you've crapped all over this thread with a blanket defence of a totalitarian police state with a simply atrocious record on huiman rights, a defence which borders on unhinged fanaticism.
Just as you crapped all over every thread that focussed on the only other superpower with a blanket, indiscriminate hated of everything and anyone American, equally devoid of Reason or balance.
It's simply so bizarre that Whoever raised wumao may as well, it's as feasible an explanation as any other I can think of.

 

[Donald H]

Oh what total bullshit.
First, I was simply saying I'd not heard the term till now.
Second, you've crapped all over this thread with a blanket defence of a totalitarian police state with asimply atrocious record on huiman rights, a defence which borders on unhinged fanaticism.
Kust as you crapped all over every thread that focussed on the only other superpower with a blanket, indiscriminate hated of everythingand anyone American, equally devoid of Reason or balance.
It's simply so bizarre that Whoever raised wumao may as well, it's as feasible an explanation as any other I can think of.

Why should I be obliged to read your garbled ranting when you refuse to proofread or take care with your typing mistakes?