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I have finished my choc & coconut experiment and it's magnificent.

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Double choc stout with 100g cocoa and 200g toasted coconut added at secondary. Fantastic, I call it Bounty. I was worried that the cocoa might make it bitter but it's nicely balanced. The coconut left an oily residue all over the inside of the fermenter and accounts for the poor head but the taste is out of this world. Choc-coconut aroma. Smooth coconut at the front and a massive chocolate hit at the end. Winner. Choc-cherry next.
 
Okay, long shot here, but has anybody had any experience with brew in a bag (BIAB) and no chill?

The no chill method intrigues me as I have a water meter and can't afford to waste gallons of water cooling the wort. From what I've read about it, all seem to mention using a Winpak container to allow the wort to cool down overnight before pitching the yeast, but I can't see these containers for sale anywhere in the UK. I've looked at plastic jerry cans but am not too sure if they would be a suitable alternative.

I'm also going to be brewing on an electric cooker, which isn't ideal for maintaining a consistent temperature, so if anybody has any tips regarding that, I would be ever so grateful.

Cheers.
 
Okay, long shot here, but has anybody had any experience with brew in a bag (BIAB) and no chill?

The no chill method intrigues me as I have a water meter and can't afford to waste gallons of water cooling the wort. From what I've read about it, all seem to mention using a Winpak container to allow the wort to cool down overnight before pitching the yeast, but I can't see these containers for sale anywhere in the UK. I've looked at plastic jerry cans but am not too sure if they would be a suitable alternative.

I'm also going to be brewing on an electric cooker, which isn't ideal for maintaining a consistent temperature, so if anybody has any tips regarding that, I would be ever so grateful.

Cheers.

I started BIAB but using a buffalo water boiler (tea urn) and a square of net curtain,it is possible to brew stove top but you will be restricted to smaller amounts due to weight,the technique is to bring the (treated) water up to "strike temperature" add grain then turn off the heat and wrap a duvet or similar round the vessel which should then hold your mash temperature for long enough (60-90 mins.) you can boost it if you need but I never needed to.
As far as no chill the requirement seems to be HDPE, but if you don't plan to keep the wort for long before adding yeast,I'd just let the temp. drop a bit after the boil and run off into a lidded fermentation bucket, then dump in a bath of cold water or leave over night till it cools.

These sites should answer all your questions,and both very friendly forums.

http://www.jimsbeerkit.co.uk/forum/viewforum.php?f=35

http://www.biabrewer.info/

H.T.H.
 
I have finished my choc & coconut experiment and it's magnificent.

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Double choc stout with 100g cocoa and 200g toasted coconut added at secondary. Fantastic, I call it Bounty. I was worried that the cocoa might make it bitter but it's nicely balanced. The coconut left an oily residue all over the inside of the fermenter and accounts for the poor head but the taste is out of this world. Choc-coconut aroma. Smooth coconut at the front and a massive chocolate hit at the end. Winner. Choc-cherry next.
Sounds fab. I've got a triple chock chip been in the bottle for 6 months now.
I used a coopers stout, some choc wheat malt, choco malt, in the primary and some cocoa nibs that had been soaked in bourbon and some chocolate extract in the secondary. The plan is a desert beer. Read some article and had all the ingredients in so gave it a go.

I may put one in the fridge and report back ;)
 
The odd metalic taste is most likely from chlorine in your water.
I treat the water with a campdem tablet a couple of hours before making up the brew.
Chlorine will evaporate out so you can fill the spare brewing tub up and leave for 48 hours. Used to get superior results growing weed using this method too.
 
So, I've got the elderberry liqueur and the blackberry brandy on the go. My dad said to use the demijohn bungs with the little plastic curly pipe thingy in them, and fill them to the marked level with water, which would ensure nothing gets into the brew.

However, all the recipes I've read say to use an airtight sealed container for them.

Any advice welcomed.
 
So, I've got the elderberry liqueur and the blackberry brandy on the go. My dad said to use the demijohn bungs with the little plastic curly pipe thingy in them, and fill them to the marked level with water, which would ensure nothing gets into the brew.

However, all the recipes I've read say to use an airtight sealed container for them.

Any advice welcomed.
No airtight is fine. You're not really brewing the brandy and liquer more infusing it so you're not going to get any yeast activity which would produce co2. In brewing that co2 needs to escape somewhere to stop the vessel containing your swally exploding :)

Your pops is right in that if you were making elderberry wine you would need a bubbler but not for what your doing chuck ;)

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You could use an airlock though if you're using a demijon as that would still be airtight. Well until it got knocked over one night :D When I make my skittle voddy I just screw the top back on the bottles.
 
Cheers freeds!

So what I've got in the top of them is okay, or can you get solid bungs? Ah no they'll not get knocked over. They're both in my kitchen pantry, on the floor - we only go in there for the big stock pot and bog roll :)

Quantities are about 300/350g berries, 170g sugar with the brandy, 200g sugar for the elderberry liqueur, 70cl bottle of cheapo voddie for the EB and 70cl of cheapo 'French' brandy from Morrisons for the BB.

Yeh, I know they're gonna be quite sweet, but that's what I'm after.
 
Cheers freeds!

So what I've got in the top of them is okay, or can you get solid bungs? Ah no they'll not get knocked over. They're both in my kitchen pantry, on the floor - we only go in there for the big stock pot and bog roll :)

Quantities are about 300/350g berries, 170g sugar with the brandy, 200g sugar for the elderberry liqueur, 70cl bottle of cheapo voddie for the EB and 70cl of cheapo 'French' brandy from Morrisons for the BB.

Yeh, I know they're gonna be quite sweet, but that's what I'm after.

You can get solid bungs but what you're doing is fine from my experience. The high alcohol in the voddy and the brandy will kill off any chance of it fermenting much, if owt at all. It's a bit like slow gin making or rum pot.


Sounds lovely :) I'm considering a blackberry one now I've looked it up :thumbs: There's millions here at the mo.
 
Thanks chuck :) Ooo can't bloody wait for crimbo now haha - first time I've ever said THAT! Was lovely though, making our own crimbo booze. I'm gonna make some elderberry syrup this week sometime too - proven anti-viral it is, meant to be great for colds and flu :cool:
 
The last time I did a turbo cider I used Aldi AJ after considering cosco, tesco and all the others. ;)

Whatcha makin then TC?
Well I recently got a dozen demi johns off of free cycle and also have about 90-100 proper bottles. I am thinking about wine but turbo cider is so straight forward.

I also like the idea of making the cider in a normal vessel and bottling it in the demi johns. Saves getting off the sofa unless I need the loo! So I want a fuck ton of apple juice me thinks.

I would like to do wine but the previous results were not very good though we drank all of it. It was kit stuff. We are looking at buying grape juice and having another go but to be frank we can get roughish but drinkable Italian wine here for £5 for two bottles so it does not work out as good value as the cider.

The beer I made was fucking awful. We drank all of that too. :oops:

Now it gets closer to winter I am up for doing more stuff in doors as it were. So with luck, prudence and my new job's alcohol policy, we should have some booze in a good state for next summer. :)
 
Well I recently got a dozen demi johns off of free cycle and also have about 90-100 proper bottles. I am thinking about wine but turbo cider is so straight forward.

I also like the idea of making the cider in a normal vessel and bottling it in the demi johns. Saves getting off the sofa unless I need the loo! So I want a fuck ton of apple juice me thinks.

I would like to do wine but the previous results were not very good though we drank all of it. It was kit stuff. We are looking at buying grape juice and having another go but to be frank we can get roughish but drinkable Italian wine here for £5 for two bottles so it does not work out as good value as the cider.

The beer I made was fucking awful. We drank all of that too. :oops:

Now it gets closer to winter I am up for doing more stuff in doors as it were. So with luck, prudence and my new job's alcohol policy, we should have some booze in a good state for next summer. :)
Have you seen the toffee apple cider recipes out there? ;)
 
Well I recently got a dozen demi johns off of free cycle and also have about 90-100 proper bottles. I am thinking about wine but turbo cider is so straight forward.

I also like the idea of making the cider in a normal vessel and bottling it in the demi johns. Saves getting off the sofa unless I need the loo! So I want a fuck ton of apple juice me thinks.

I would like to do wine but the previous results were not very good though we drank all of it. It was kit stuff. We are looking at buying grape juice and having another go but to be frank we can get roughish but drinkable Italian wine here for £5 for two bottles so it does not work out as good value as the cider.

The beer I made was fucking awful. We drank all of that too. :oops:

Now it gets closer to winter I am up for doing more stuff in doors as it were. So with luck, prudence and my new job's alcohol policy, we should have some booze in a good state for next summer. :)
We did not drink all the wine! I have low standards but it was too chemicalish even for me. I know we had some but I'm sure we chucked most of it.

The beer was yummy! But I don't usually like beery beer as much, so you may have a point.
Make ginger beer. All you need is ginger and sugar :cool: its ace.
Ooh! Good idea. How?
 
We did not drink all the wine! I have low standards but it was too chemicalish even for me. I know we had some but I'm sure we chucked most of it.

The beer was yummy! But I don't usually like beery beer as much, so you may have a point.
Ooh! Good idea. How?

I've forgotten the exact proportions but it was basically sugar, ginger and bread yeast. There's a thread on here somewhere :) It was amazing and really quick too.
 
Thanks chuck :) Ooo can't bloody wait for crimbo now haha - first time I've ever said THAT! Was lovely though, making our own crimbo booze. I'm gonna make some elderberry syrup this week sometime too - proven anti-viral it is, meant to be great for colds and flu :cool:

You could make an Elderberry Rob for medicinal purposes, sojourner . I make one most years, cos it's so easy to use later.

Get your elderberries and comb them off the stems. You probably already know this, but it's worth repeating: the stems are emetic, so you do want to get rid of them.

Put the berries in a large heavy bottomed pan with enough water to make them wet through. Put the lid on and bring to a boil, then turn it right down, right away. Allow that to simmer for about 20 minutes. Add more water if you think it needs it, but you'll be evaporating it later, so not too much. Squash it all down with a potato masher to get the pulp out of the skins. Strain it all through a colander, then through a sieve. Now reduce the fluid (the menstruum :)) over a low heat for as long as it takes. Eventually it will form a thick sticky paste. That can be stored in a sterilised jar until next year's harvest.

You can check how thick it is by taking a spoonful out and letting it cool til you can see how thick it's gonna be. Keep doing that til you get a consistency like marmite, or treacle, or honey, jam. Thick and gooey, anyway.

You can add spices during the initial cooking stage if you like: cinnamon, ginger, black pepper, nutmeg, whatever.

If you want it more sweet, then add honey at the end of the reduction stage.

To use it, at the first hint of a cold, put a teaspoonful of the Rob in a mug and add hot water. I leave out the honey, and sweeten it at this point if I want to. Take it at bedtime, and throughout the day. It can make you sweat (it's a diaphoretic) which is good. It's also antiviral (specific against certain flu viruses), antioxidant, demulcent, all kindsa good stuff. Take as much and as often as you like during any upper respiratory tract infection. You can also use it as a prophylactic during the cold season. If you feel like a cold drink while you're ill, you can mix it with some hot water to loosen the paste, and then add fizzy or still cold water. Or another juice or herbal tea. If you have a really sore throat, make ice lollies with the diluted rob and suck on them to soothe your throat.

Mrs Grieves' recipe for Rob is here, and she gives a good recipe for elderberry syrup too. Also wines, ketchup, chutney etc.

https://www.botanical.com/botanical/mgmh/e/elder-04.html#medpre


Not brewing, this, but good to know.
 

I'm getting on that when I get home. I looked at doing it here, but the price of ginger made it a very expensive drink

I've just opened the first bottle of my coffee 'wine'. At 13% it'll get you pissed, and the amount of caffeine in it will keep you up all night, so it's strictly a daytime drink. It's fucking bitter though. I've mixed it with milk and sugar and it's still pretty harsh.

My latest turbo cider using apple and blackcurrant is great though and shall be accompanying me on my enforced holiday :)
 
Cor story - that looks fiiiine!! The recipe for EB syrup I've got is much more basic than that, but I love the idea of using ginger etc in there - god, I feel better already just reading that and I'm not even ill yet haha :D:thumbs:

Am considering making some 'fire cider' too - mate of mine reckons that's the dog's bollocks n all!
 
Time to unveil the Longdog Winery

It all started when I was out walking the dogs and thought "There's a lot of blackberries about this year... Think I'll make a demijohn of wine"... And then things got a bit out of hand... Fourty kilos of blackberries and £30 of infrastructure later...

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From back to front we have...

1) 23 litres of blackberry wine a few days from bottling.

2) 30 litres of mixed fruit wine - Apples and plums (courtesy of a neighbour), peach, mango, blackcurrant, rhubarb. half way through fermenting.

3) 5 litres banana wine. A work in progress but smells great.

4) 5 litres of blackberry and elderberry which has been doing its own thing for five weeks.

5) Christmas wine just started today. Blackberry, elderberry, red grape concentrate, cinnamon, nutmeg, cloves, root ginger, vanilla, 1 orange (juice and peel), 1 lemon (juice and peel) and juniper berries (which I forgot to steal from Roadkill's kitchen cupboard can go in later when I nick them).

Note if you will the devious use of Tesco own brand five litre mineral water bottles with hole drilled in lid and bubbler glued in place. £1.10 each (including contents) as opposed to £5.50 for a glass demijohn. I'm sure I'm not the first to think of this but it has worked much better than I thought it would.

Bottom shelf is the 50 wine bottles I've scrounged from bars or just plain rooted out from their bins.

Oh... And then there's the label...

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I am quite interested in one of these: http://www.grainfather.com/

It's a complete single vessel brewing system incorporating heater and pump. It's a rip off of the excellent, but prohibitively expensive Braumeister. All the reviews I have seen have been positive, they are set to hit Australia in November and retail at about AU$1000 which is less than half the price of a Braumeister.

Looks tidy and easy to use. I have been thinking about going AG for a long time and this looks like the answer for me. The Braumeister would be my dream system but this looks just as good.

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