aye. you look back at Jack Straw and wonder, was he an incompetent idiot, or actually working for the enemy all along? and i mean, really working.
Hillsborough Independent Panel findings and release of documents.
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aye. you look back at Jack Straw and wonder, was he an incompetent idiot, or actually working for the enemy all along? and i mean, really working.
brogdale
Coming to terms with late onset Anarchism
Along with majority of NL members...was the enemy.
gawkrodger
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two interesting items in the Granuaid
1) 'Internal revolt' at the Times over their first cover
Times front page omitting Hillsborough changed after staff revolt
1) 'Internal revolt' at the Times over their first cover
Times front page omitting Hillsborough changed after staff revolt
gawkrodger
Well-Known Member
2) A pretty explicit, for lack of better description pro-working class 'class war' piece
The Hillsborough verdict shatters the fantasy that class war doesn’t exist
I think this verdict (also coming at time of NHS/junior doctor/Philip Green/constant stuff about banks etc) is potentially going to have really significant long term effects in the body politic.
Completely anecdotal, but the last few weeks I'm coming across so many friends/acquaintances who are 'non-political' getting really angry (in a good way)
The Hillsborough verdict shatters the fantasy that class war doesn’t exist
I think this verdict (also coming at time of NHS/junior doctor/Philip Green/constant stuff about banks etc) is potentially going to have really significant long term effects in the body politic.
Completely anecdotal, but the last few weeks I'm coming across so many friends/acquaintances who are 'non-political' getting really angry (in a good way)
Ted Striker
Foot's on the other hand
(Was originally a reply to Athos tho quoting BA too)
What is/was a reminder of the completeness of this - is the commentary of John Motson on the day. He (and to an element of defence he does describe it as 'a line'), and blamed it on ticketless fans breaking down the gate.*
Motty never lies...What Motty said was gospel....Night follows day, Motty tells us the scoreline, Motty tells everyone watching the telly it was ticketless fans breaking down the gate...
Not to dig him out personally, but I actually think that was a huge part in the adoption of the lies.
Yes...and there's a semi famous note from Blair where he remarks to Straw "What's the point?" (Of the Stuart Smith re-examination). Pure textbook NL lip service to any working class concern, all with a public image to appear the opposite.
Of all the praise heaped on the campaigners and family, how none of them launched for Stuart Smith(?) When he mentioned about turning up late shows a restraint and composure I could never have.
gawkrodger
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words fail me, so I'll just post the video
Burnham suggested last year that Blair didn't want to upset Murdoch:
Blair didn't order H'boro inquiry as not to offend Murdoch, says Andy Burnham
Blair didn't order H'boro inquiry as not to offend Murdoch, says Andy Burnham
Doctor Carrot
Marxist Henchman
I think the whole episode of that is on youtube.
Athos
Well-Known Member
Very moving. I honestly think I've cried more in the last two days than I have in the preceding 20 years.
danny la rouge
More like *fanny* la rouge!
But he didn't suggest that publicly at the time that Blair was blocking an inquiry. Burnham has done well recently, but if he thought that at the time he should have done something about it.
Unless I missed his criticism at the time.
brogdale
Coming to terms with late onset Anarchism
FWIW, in his R4 'Today' (Hillsborough) interview this morning, Blunkett identified 3 disasters of SYP as Hillsborough, CSE & Orgreave and explicitly called for an independent inquiry into the policing of the entire miners' strike inc. Orgreave.
And the particular point that Blunket made was that the Orgreave enquiry needed to be a national one to avoid the costs falling on South Yorkshire exclusively, like the Hillsborough ones. Blunket was surprisingly good on the radio this morning, very different from his awful performances when he was Home Secretary.
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
he's had some years to practice
Athos
Well-Known Member
If only we'd had someone like him in a position to do something about all this years ago.
spartacus mills
let's wee on each other
No remorse from the South Yorkshire National Association of Retired Police Officers: Hillsborough police officers told they 'did a good job'
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
yeh well in their eyes they did
spartacus mills
let's wee on each other
Filth is such an apt term for them.
brogdale
Coming to terms with late onset Anarchism
Quite.
I suppose my (FWIW) point was....that if even Blunkett is 'on message' with the need for an inquiry into the policing of the miners' strike...it is a (potentially) encouraging sign?
I think we are going to have to repeatedly mention Orgreave as much as possible in all forums (in the true meaning of the word) until it becomes an embarrassment to the people in power.
Athos
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He's just another careerist cunt who blows with the prevailing wind. All lip service. I'll be encouraged when something actually happens.
brogdale
Coming to terms with late onset Anarchism
I actually suspect that the real reason he felt able to speak the truth was precisely because his 'career' is over to the extent that he has reached the 'zenith' of taking ermine.
Like you, I'll believe when I see it, but I think the Orgreave justice campaign must feel that the Hillsborough outcome is an inspiration.
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
the fact it isn't much mentioned is precisely because it is such an embarrassment to them.
belboid
Exasperated, not angry.
Dozens of police officers refuse to speak to Hillsborough crime probe
Coppers refuse to cooperate with Operation Resolve as it would be 'too traumatic' - twats
Coppers refuse to cooperate with Operation Resolve as it would be 'too traumatic' - twats
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
The stars articles get shorter and shorter. They - or Johnathon Corke - have done great work on this for years now when many preferred not to and should really be going to town over this.
belboid
Exasperated, not angry.
That is just one of their articles, still six pages in today's paper.
My mate Mike worked for the star till he died last year. His first week culminated with him going to report on the match. This is probably the first bit of decent journalism in the rag since then. Real shame he never got to see it.
My mate Mike worked for the star till he died last year. His first week culminated with him going to report on the match. This is probably the first bit of decent journalism in the rag since then. Real shame he never got to see it.
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
Hang on - this is sheff star, i thought it was daily star where Corke works. My fault that.
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