Plumdaff
joy in people
Middup, the Police Fed spokesperson, was one of the most enthusiastic repeaters of the smears, and it was a Police Fed meeting that was the source for the Sun. They just keep lying.
Hillsborough Independent Panel findings and release of documents.
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Middup, the Police Fed spokesperson, was one of the most enthusiastic repeaters of the smears, and it was a Police Fed meeting that was the source for the Sun. They just keep lying.
Exactly what it read as. Scot Nationalist poured money into his campaigns time and time again despite his vile positions.
TopCat
Putin fanboy
Yay!
TopCat
Putin fanboy
I am looking at him with a much kinder eye.
TopCat
Putin fanboy
The police fed are in the same fetid stinking pool as the POA in my mind. Forget workers in uniform, more a complete bunch of immoral cunts who need to be taught a fucking hard lesson.
YouSir
Retired from Urban
Strange to see him standing for something with some passion. Hints of a good man, shame he didn't show it earlier.
TopCat
Putin fanboy
You
No matter how far gone you gone, you can always turn around.
billy_bob
Air of bewilderment model's own
What it does show, though, is the appalling cognitive dissonance New Labour types are capable of. If Burnham's main contribution to history is this then he'll come out well on balance, and maybe deserves to. It's clear there's a man of humanity and principles in there somewhere. But like Hain and Straw and Benn (H) and so many others he seems to be able to breezily shrug these off when there's neoliberalizin' to be done.
Monkeygrinder's Organ
Dodgy geezer swilling vapid lager
To be fair to Burnham I believe he's been talking about Hillsborough for quite a long time.
Which doesn't make him a suitable party leader but credit where it's due.
Which doesn't make him a suitable party leader but credit where it's due.
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
TopCat
Putin fanboy
Totally this.
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
It's hard comrade but it's the truth.
elbows
Well-Known Member
danny la rouge
More like *fanny* la rouge!
Well it's hard to know how to read it.
"Scot Nationalist". Do you mean the SNP? Because they didn't. Nor is he a member of the party. He did successfully raise money from his readers, but I have feeling that'll reduce somewhat. He seems to have disgusted quite a few.
But to suggest his views on Hillsborough are somehow representative of either independence supporters or of Nationalists (capital N) is as inaccurate as saying they're representative of residents of Somerset, where he resides.
elbows
Well-Known Member
'if we don't pull together we are going to be roadkill'.
Looks like he was right there, at least.
Roadkill doesn't get a chance to make shit propaganda videos a day before being killed. Also a shameless term to use given the actual unlawful killings, and given that much of the latest grief that got this bloke suspended involves painful echo of the phenomenon whereby more attention is paid to saving the life of peoples careers than saving actual lives and reducing the suffering of friends and relatives.
The propaganda, oh what a polished tool police force youtube channels are (not)!
Was catching up on today's posts and ....
In that sound Martin Belam blog sticking the boot into today's Times he linked to this superb (and very difficult-to-read ) piece by Mike Bracken from April 2009. I know plenty on this thread have read it and will remember it, but I really recommend a re-read now :
This was my Hillsborough : Twenty years after Britain's worst football stadium disaster, in which 96 people died, Mike Bracken shares his painful memories for the first time
In that sound Martin Belam blog sticking the boot into today's Times he linked to this superb (and very difficult-to-read ) piece by Mike Bracken from April 2009. I know plenty on this thread have read it and will remember it, but I really recommend a re-read now :
This was my Hillsborough : Twenty years after Britain's worst football stadium disaster, in which 96 people died, Mike Bracken shares his painful memories for the first time
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There is yet another battle to be fought about police corruption. It was mentioned in his speech to the Commons by Burnham but also by one of the Hillsborough victims relatives on Channel 4 News tonight. It is Orgreave. Wouldn't it be good if another piece of Thatcher's meddling could be exposed?
teqniq
DisMembered
Andy Burnham mentioned Orgreave in relation to this (and yes he has gone up in my opinion) including references to parts of the enquiry which were redacted and in which he suggested the police used tactics which were derived from operational policies they first bought into play there and then subsequently used at Hillsborough, so I don't think it's going to 'go away'.
sleaterkinney
Well-Known Member
Burnham released documents after being booed at the Memorial Service a few years ago, so he started the current ball rolling. Makes a difference from earlier New Labour efforts to keep the cover up going.
Yep. April 2009 - just 13 months before their government ended.
Two points about that: (1) New Labour did nout for 12 years and (2) if it wasn't for Burnham being heckled, and responding to with humanity, this battle would have been lost to history as Labour lost power. there was nothing inevitable about this victory - the families had to be fight every step of the way and even then they were a whisker from failure.
I think it was in Gordon Brown's autobiography that Burnham called him from Anfield, shortly after being heckled and said 'we need to act'.
sleaterkinney
Well-Known Member
1) No, remember Jack Straw's cover-up?
Favelado
J'adore South Shore
That was Blair years wasn't it? Help me remember. I'm not saying I'm right.
sleaterkinney
Well-Known Member
Yeah, the Stuart-Smith inquiry.
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