Hillsborough Independent Panel findings and release of documents.

[likesfish]

Football fans already had an appalling reputation so people would belive they were to blame.
The cover up couldnt have got so many people to belive so quickly and easily it was the fans fault if football fan and hooligan were not linked in the majority of peoples minds already.
Thats why south yorkshire police could do what they did and get away with it

 

[Teaboy]

It strikes me that the terrible little people like Leslie we've had to endure on this thread is just a very tiny tiny insight into what the families have been through every day since this happened. Its incredible they found the strength to carry on the fight despite this. Truly inspiring people.

 

[Pickman's model]

Football fans already had an appalling reputation so people would belive they were to blame.
The cover up couldnt have got so many people to belive so quickly and easily it was the fans fault if football fan and hooligan were not linked in the majority of peoples minds already.
Thats why south yorkshire police could do what they did and get away with it

don't talk such awful shite.

 

[SpookyFrank]

The officers we represent co-operated fully with the investigations and we have always been clear that what we wanted, above all, was to get to the truth of what happened on that day for all those concerned.

Yeah becuse you got west midlands police to bully witnesses and doctor statements for you instead of doing it yourselves.

 

[Pickman's model]

What, is he scared drunk yobs will piss on his asphyxiating body? Or that someone will lie about this happening?

"no one pissed on kelvin mackenzie's expiring body"

 

[SpookyFrank]

Sun is the only paper this morning to not have anything about the verdict on their front page - relegated to pg5/6.


Scum.

Their journos were barred from the families' press conference after the verdict.

 

[likesfish]

People the sun the cabinet etc wanted to belive it was the fans fault it played into exsisting prejudices much like the birmingham 6 they were irish must be terrorisits etc etc.
Much easier to slag off a group thats already viewed poorly.

 

[Pickman's model]

People the sun the cabinet etc wanted to belive it was the fans fault it played into exsisting prejudices much like the birmingham 6 they were irish must be terrorisits etc etc.
Much easier to slag off a group thats already viewed poorly.

if the disaster wasn't bad enough for liverpool fans, the injured also had to endure a visit from margaret thatcher.

 

[likesfish]

if the disaster wasn't bad enough for liverpool fans, the injured also had to endure a visit from margaret thatcher.

 

[DaveCinzano]

Their journos were barred from the families' press conference after the verdict.

Not physically being somewhere and not actually speaking to people they are directly quoting has never stopped them publishing WORLD EXCLUSIVE front page stories before.

 

[DaveCinzano]

Martin Belam on the failure of the newspaper of record to lead its first edition front page with anything on the Hillsborough verdict

The Times has let its readers down today over Hillsborough

 

[stethoscope]

So they ran a second edition with a revised front page then

 

[teqniq]

Sour grapes from Murdoch. Is anyone really surprised?

 

[billy_bob]

If a billionaire media tycoon can't play the victim and refuse to acknowledge when it's proven once and for all that one of his papers told vicious lies about the double victims of a horrific tragedy and an establishment cover-up of their own compounding of that tragedy ... ISIS has won, my friends, ISIS has won.

 

[Wilf]

I was reading that really moving post from friedaweed just before. I hope everyone reads that. I was actually lost for words on what to say in response.

Aye, me too. I was online last night when friedaweed posted it. Couldn't think of anything to post that wouldn't have sounded trite. Great post, great sentiments.

 

[butchersapron]

Great post by friedaweed last night. Always delivers the goods.

I didn't want to do it yesterday, but it may well be time to draw up a list of people and groups who now need public guilties.

(On the idiots from last night - surprisingly few of them. 10 years ago this thread would be full of them. I re-read the whole thing last night, there's maybe 4 of them in total over the last 3 1/2 years it's been running)

 

[Artaxerxes]

So they ran a second edition with a revised front page then

If so can I grab a link?

 

[butchersapron]

Times 2nd edition has pic of families instead of some snow. Story not on front though.

 

[Wilf]

Great post by friedaweed last night. Always delivers the goods.

I didn't want to do it yesterday, but it may well be time to draw up a list of people and groups who now need public guilties.

(On the idiots from last night - surprisingly few of them. 10 years ago this thread would be full of them. I re-read the whole thing last night, there's maybe 4 of them in total over the last 3 1/2 years it's been running)

Yep, urban at it's best. Idiots to a an absolute minimum, clued up, politically sorted, angry - and compassionate.

 

[Dogsauce]

Sun is the only paper this morning to not have anything about the verdict on their front page - relegated to pg5/6.


Scum.

I doubt they could pull off anything that wouldn't look like a fake apology or massive hypocrisy. In some ways I'm happy that they're silent, it's more telling of their guilt. They're embarrassed and it shows.

It'd be nice to have a little protest outside their offices now, a few big banners with 'LIARS' or something.

 

[ViolentPanda]

What rubbish. If that was the case, why were the fences at Millwall topped with spikes (as per TopCats post above?)

Not rubbish, history.
And Millwall's fence wasn't topped with spikes, it was topped with rotating drums.

 

[danny la rouge]

I doubt they could pull off anything that wouldn't look like a fake apology or massive hypocrisy. In some ways I'm happy that they're silent, it's more telling of their guilt. They're embarrassed and it shows.

It'd be nice to have a little protest outside their offices now, a few big banners with 'LIARS' or something.

Their so-called "apology" a few years back was "poor us, we were tricked" and "a big boy did it and left us to take the blame". It was pathetic. They missed their opportunity. Anything they do or say now should rightly be treated with utter disdain.

 

[Pickman's model]

Their so-called "apology" a few years back was "poor us, we were tricked" and "a big boy did it and left us to take the blame". It was pathetic. They missed their opportunity. Anything they do or say now should rightly be treated with utter disdain.

yeh cos either they've been lied to on a daily basis over a vast range of issues and bought all the bullshit: or (and i think this is more likely) they're scum.

 

[danny la rouge]

yeh cos either they've been lied to on a daily basis over a vast range of issues (obvious e.gs. brum 6, tott 3, etc etc) and bought all the bullshit: or (and i think this is more likely) they're scum.

Yup. The only thing they're ever sorry about is losing readers. It'd be great therefore if people could make them really, really, really sorry.

 

[chilango]

If there was any accountability The Sun would be shut down and its managers barred from ever working in journalism/media again.

 

[ViolentPanda]

The police were all about subdgegation. So many of the measures they apply to protesters they honed first on us. They were indiscriminate in their force. Turned many a mild lad into a fierce opponent.

I first learned how to ginger a horse while walking the gauntlet of mountie and flat-foot filth from Boleyn to Upton Park station. Stood me in good stead at Wapping.

 

[Favelado]

What is "gingering a horse"?

 

[Pickman's model]

What is "gingering a horse"?

An old school equestrian practice, a piece of ginger would be inserted into a horse’s anus just before the start of a parade; the horse would then keep its tail up due to the irritating burning sensation whenever lowered, leading to that arced tail aesthetic so popular amongst horsey folk.

Also known as “gingering,” or “gingering the tail,” it was common among horsemen, showmen, and even soldiers; in other words, pretty much any horse-based job that requires a horse to look as elegant as possible, all the while surreptitiously having ginger rammed in the poor thing’s rectum. In fact, it became so popular that horse show organisers had to ban it and “ginger swabbing” was deployed to detect ginger in or around the horse’s anus. (And you think your job is bad?)

Root Ginger Is a Dominatrix's Secret Weapon | MUNCHIES

 

[ViolentPanda]

It's a common enough attitude. People are brought up to respect the police. They find it hard to compute the big lie they have been forced to suck on all their life.

My dad managed to get to his fifties before he found out the real truth about the OB...at a Norwich home match. He didn't like them previously, but believed the "few bad apples" schtick. Then he saw a group of coppers go garrity at a single female supporter who mouthed off at them, and found himself trying to chin a copper.

 

[ViolentPanda]

What is "gingering a horse"?

It's what Pickman's model says, although the favoured method among us povs was a Marigold smeared with Colman's English Mustard, and then stick a finger up the horse's arse.

Yes, it's cruel to the horse - although it causes no lasting damage.

Yes, it also makes the horse hard to control, and means the mountie and his mount have to withdraw. It's a bit more humane than laying down ball bearings or caltrops.