Hillsborough Independent Panel findings and release of documents.

[Voley]

All the bellends are still crawling out from under their rocks and always will be. There are people in this world who just can't get their fucking heads around reality. The Truth is out now. That's all that needs to be said. Fuck the sad little cunts who still believe the lies

I sat with a mate last night and shared a bottle of wine and we remembered that day hopefully for the last time with unjust feelings. I knew he'd text me to come over for some time together. We always get together at times like these and we were both shitting ourselves until 11 am today. He gave evidence at the recent inquest. Him and his dad were in the middle of the pens surrounded by the carnage. He tried to take his own life this Christmas on account of having to relive those horrors he's lived with all throughout his adult life at the inquest before christmas. Yes 27 years on and he still can't face what happened. Going over the photographs, reliving your worst nightmares as a teenage lad, trying to tell total strangers what it was like to be there on that day now and it was all to much for him this christmas. Trying to grow up and become a man with that shit in your mind every night and being told it was your fault because some bent fucking copper wouldn't admit they fucked up and a large section of the political elite had it in for the City you came from is fucking wrong. If you want to blame the fans speak to him but polish your fucking armor first.

I've got my own awful memories of that day. The funerals of kids, the empty seats on the bus to games, not knowing what to say to the dads, mums, brothers, sisters, etc when you met them. Tonight though we'll all sleep a little better and now for many of us it's time to move on. The Truth is finally out and Justice is served. I don't give a fuck what happens to Duckenfield et al now to be honest. They've been exposed for the lying cunts that they were and the scum that they will always now be remembered as now. They're finished.

You can have all the fucking opinions you like. If you've had to live with it it though some peoples opinions just sound like a load of pissy waffle to those of us who remember that day so vividly. If you have to ban masons from an inquest based upon the previous behaviour of some of the higher echelons of our society then you have to ask yourself why?? People in power fucked up, they blamed the people they should have been there to protect. They thought they were better than them and they treated them like scum. The scum were...

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David William Birtle (22)
Tony Bland (22)
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Paul William Carlile (19)
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Joseph Clark (29)
Paul Clark (18)
Gary Collins (22)
Stephen Paul Copoc (20)
Tracey Elizabeth Cox (23) James Philip Delaney (19)
Christopher Barry Devonside (18)
Christopher Edwards (29)
Vincent Michael Fitzsimmons (34)
Thomas Steven Fox (21)
Jon-Paul Gilhooley (10)
Barry Glover (27)
Ian Thomas Glover (20)
Derrick George Godwin (24)
Roy Harry Hamilton (34)
Philip Hammond (14)
Eric Hankin (33)
Gary Harrison (27)
Stephen Francis Harrison (31)
Peter Andrew Harrison (15)
David Hawley (39)
James Robert Hennessy (29)
Paul Anthony Hewitson (26)
Carl Darren Hewitt (17)
Nicholas Michael Hewitt (16)
Sarah Louise Hicks (19)
Victoria Jane Hicks (15)
Gordon Rodney Horn (20)
Arthur Horrocks (41) Thomas Howard (39)
Thomas Anthony Howard (14)
Eric George Hughes (42)
Alan Johnston (29)
Christine Anne Jones (27)
Gary Philip Jones (18)
Richard Jones (25)
Nicholas Peter Joynes (27)
Anthony Peter Kelly (29)
Michael David Kelly (38)
Carl David Lewis (18)
David William Mather (19)
Brian Christopher Mathews (38)
Francis Joseph McAllister (27)
John McBrien (18)
Marion Hazel McCabe (21)
Joseph Daniel McCarthy (21)
Peter McDonnell (21)
Alan McGlone (28)
Keith McGrath (17)
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Lee Nicol (14)
Stephen Francis O'Neill (17)
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Paula Ann Smith (26)
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Philip John Steele (15)
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Martin Kevin Traynor (16)
Kevin Tyrrell (15)
Colin Wafer (19)
Ian David Whelan (19)
Martin Kenneth Wild (29)
Kevin Daniel Williams (15)
Graham John Wright (17)

Just ordinary people like you and me going to a football match but on that day they became expendable. We immortalized them, their families took the fight to the same crooks that blamed them. We did overcome.

Most of us stopped talking about it the first time they shafted us but we quietly thought for justice.

Here's an ordinary lad from Runcorn who survived those pens but his life was robbed from him and he was made to feel like it was his fault for 27 years. A fan. a son, a dad and a fucking solid human being.

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Have a good kip tonight Peter Murray.


Today we got Justice for the 96.


See you at my wedding yer big prick and don't fuck me stag night up

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Spot on, frieda, mate.

 

[Artaxerxes]

This is a current affairs **debating** board and I'm expressing an opinion. Everyone knows the 96 were innocent. Everyone knows there was a cover up. That shouldn't distract attention from the elephant in the room.

There is no debate you are being insensitive and saying "well the fans had a hand in the situation"

The jury has spoken, a 27 year whitewash has been scraped away. The fans had no responsibility, the onus is on the police, ground and ambulance service.

There was clear evidence of a damn conspiracy by the police and certain members of parliament to twist the narrative and shift 100% of the blame to fans. This again has been seen and mentioned by the jury.


Your not a member of the jury, your a twat on the Internet shitting on the truth.


I don't even fucking like football and I can see this, now feck off.

 

[TopCat]

There is a copy of the Sun's response to a complaint letter back then on Facebook. Unrepentant callousness.

 

[danny la rouge]

A Scottish Nationalist speaks...

What's that meant to imply? "Stuart Campbell speaks": he is who is responsible for those words and views.

 

[LeslieB]

It's a common enough attitude. People are brought up to respect the police. .

Yes I was. And very broadly, with lots of exceptions and conditionality, I still do.

Are you seriously saying that the police response to soccer hooligans, however disproportionate and heavy handed it might have been, was some sort of anti working class political conspiracy?

 

[Red Cat]

Why the hell has this utter arsehole not been permabanned by now?

He's breached the clear warnings from editor more than once.

I don't give a stuff about 'just ignore him' and and even less of a stuff about his 'right' to a 'different opinion' when he doesn't even fucking hold it.

I suggested 'just ignore him' because we have a choice to feed it or not. And because I lost a friend at Hillsborough and I didn't want that shit on this thread yesterday.

 

[Treacle Toes]

This is a current affairs **debating** board and I'm expressing an opinion. Everyone knows the 96 were innocent. Everyone knows there was a cover up. That shouldn't distract attention from the elephant in the room.

Which one is that then? Can it get any lower than coming onto this thread and making it all about you? You'll post just enough insensitive bollocks to wind people up, twist the narrative to be about football hooliganism (as they did 27 years ago) and then you'll plead innocence, followed by claims that we should report you to the mods if we don't like it.

 

[TopCat]

I went for ignore. His last post was so loaded as to be ridiculous.

 

[stethoscope]

Sun is the only paper this morning to not have anything about the verdict on their front page - relegated to pg5/6.


Scum.

 

[TopCat]

Kelvin Mckensie is upset with the police for the briefing they gave him back then. Apparently he is at risk in Liverpool and has been vilified for decades poor lamb.

 

[brogdale]

Get the fuck off this thread. I've already warned you.

Gotta say, why not get rid of this?

 

[chilango]

This is a current affairs **debating** board and I'm expressing an opinion.

No it's not.

It's a community and you're being anti-social within that community.

Stop or fuck off out.

 

[brogdale]

Sun is the only paper this morning to not have anything about the verdict on their front page - relegated to pg5/6.


Scum.

Cowardly fucking craven filth that is nothing but owners twisted mouthpiece.

 

[chilango]

Even the BBC is calling out The Sun on this.

 

[brogdale]

Even the BBC is calling out The Sun on this.

Well if any further evidence were needed that the scum is nothing whatsoever to do with news.

 

[Athos]

Even the BBC is calling out The Sun on this.

All digs at the scum are well deserved, but I don't remember the state broadcaster being above reproach, itself, to be honest.

 

[Mr.Bishie]

Sun is the only paper this morning to not have anything about the verdict on their front page - relegated to pg5/6.


Scum.

And The Times.

 

[stethoscope]

And The Times.

Times too?

Fuck off Murdoch.

 

[TopCat]

All digs at the scum are well deserved, but I don't remember the state broadcaster being above reproach, itself, to be honest.

The BBC repeated most of the worst lies. They just did it in less shouty offensive way than the Sun.

 

[Mr.Bishie]

Anyone hear this?

Nick Robinson's defense of corrupt #Hillsborough cops exposes him as nothing more than a police state apologist. #r4today

 

[Pickman's model]

No it's not.

It's a community and you're being anti-social within that community.

Stop or fuck off out.

He's gone

 

[TopCat]

Anyone hear this?

Nick Robinson's defense of corrupt #Hillsborough cops exposes him as nothing more than a police state apologist. #r4today

What did he say?

 

[Athos]

The BBC repeated most of the worst lies. They just did it in less shouty offensive way than the Sun.

But arguably as damaging, since it still has the veneer of quality journalism amongst middle Englanders; people who didn't read our believe the Scum still came away with the same misconceptions about what happened i.e. the state's line as proffered by the state broadcaster.

 

[Mr.Bishie]

What did he say?

Didn't hear it hence my asking if anyone had?

 

[TopCat]

Didn't hear it hence my asking if anyone had?

Yeah sorry.

 

[TopCat]

But arguably as damaging, since it still has the veneer of quality journalism amongst middle Englanders; people who didn't read our believe the Scum still came away with the same misconceptions about what happened i.e. the state's line as proffered by the state broadcaster.

Exactly.

 

[danny la rouge]

Kelvin Mckensie is upset with the police for the briefing they gave him back then. Apparently he is at risk in Liverpool and has been vilified for decades poor lamb.

What, is he scared drunk yobs will piss on his asphyxiating body? Or that someone will lie about this happening?

 

[killer b]

What, is he scared drunk yobs will piss on his asphyxiating body?

I suspect that is a very real risk, were he to show his face in Liverpool.

 

[DaveCinzano]

Has anyone posted the SY Police Federation statement up yet? Apols if so.

26 April 2016

Police Federation: Hillsborough inquest verdicts

The Police Federation of England and Wales, which represents police constables, sergeants and inspectors, is pleased that the Hillsborough inquests have concluded.

Following today’s verdict of unlawful killing at the Warrington inquest, Neil Bowles, Chair of South Yorkshire Police Federation, said: “We are pleased that the inquests have reached their conclusion and grateful to the jury for helping to bring some answers to the many people affected by the Hillsborough tragedy. Our thoughts and deepest sympathies remain with the families and friends of the 96 people who lost their lives.”

The Chief Constable of South Yorkshire Police said today that South Yorkshire Police got the policing of the FA Cup semi-final at Hillsborough ‘catastrophically wrong.’

Mr Bowles said: “Our members – ordinary officers - went to work that day in 1989 expecting a normal day, policing a football match, but walked into an unfolding disaster. They did their best and did their jobs in incredibly difficult circumstances on that day: they followed orders, and did what they were commanded to do by senior officers.

“When there were gaps in that command, they used their initiative to try to save lives. Today’s policing standards – such as strict procedures, improved equipment and health and safety standards – were simply not in place 27 years ago, nor indeed the current ability and frameworks for junior officers to question senior officers’ decisions.

“The officers we represent co-operated fully with the investigations and we have always been clear that what we wanted, above all, was to get to the truth of what happened on that day for all those concerned.

“We recognise the prolonged agony endured by the families. We also recognise that this was exacerbated by various accounts from some areas, comments which were deeply upsetting to the families. Nothing can turn the clock back and we know that more answers will be needed as the outcome of the inquests sink in. However we hope that today’s outcome gives all those involved the final truth about what happened on that day. We must ensure lessons of the past are learned and that nothing like this ever happens again.

“As a staff association, representing rank and file officers we will continue to support our members in making sure that this is recognised and hope that they, too, can now try to move on from this horrific tragedy.”

Hillsborough Inquest Verdicts

 

[DaveCinzano]

We recognise the prolonged agony endured by the families. We also recognise that this was exacerbated by various accounts from some areas, comments which were deeply upsetting to the families.

Hmmm, who might have done that..?