Hillsborough Independent Panel findings and release of documents.

[Favelado]

BBC News not mentioning how key they were in spreading the lies in the hours and days after the disaster. It wasn't all The Sun you know.

 

[Pickman's model]

Lest we forget this fuckin mop haired cunts comments too!

Tbh I doubt the spectator sells more than one copy in Liverpool

 

[William of Walworth]

"More than 50" -- couldn't even be arsed to look up the accurate figure!

 

[William of Walworth]

BBC News not mentioning how key they were in spreading the lies in the hours and days after the disaster. It wasn't all The Sun you know.

There wouldn't have been the website then (?) -- I wonder if there's anything on YouTube or wherever?

 

[Favelado]

There wouldn't have been the website then (?) -- I wonder if there's anything on YouTube or wherever?

The BBC's early broadcasts made it seem clear to anyone watching that drunk, ticketless fans were the reason the disaster had happened. The damage done early on would have been impossible to undo even if they had bothered to try.

YouTube can verify the above very clearly.

 

[N_igma]

Large '96' unveiled over West Belfast this evening in respect for those who died.

 

[Wilf]

"More than 50" -- couldn't even be arsed to look up the accurate figure!

Was just thinking that. Its the complete absence of empathy when you can't think of the dead as real victims with families, just an amorphous mass - and one where you can't even be arsed spending 30 seconds to get the number right (actually, neither writer nor editor could be arsed).

 

[ViolentPanda]

Am I the only person who can see the massive elephant in the room here?

By all means blame the police and not the 96 Liverpool fans who died. But the real cause of all this are people who acted like twats at football matches in the 70s and 80s. If it wasn't for them, there would have been no fences and no deaths.

Fuck off, cunt. Fences weren't for "crowd control" purposes to stop pitch invasions, they originally started getting put in way back in the 1960s - before hooliganism - to make matches easier to police - i.e. allow them to be policed with fewer officers - again, not for crowd control purposes, but for the sake of convenience and cost-cutting.

 

[William of Walworth]

The BBC's early broadcasts made it seem clear to anyone watching that drunk, ticketless fans were the reason the disaster had happened. The damage done early on would have been impossible to undo even if they had bothered to try.

YouTube can verify the above very clearly.

I wasn't challenging your post at all, in fact I have vague memories of what you say being right about the BBC -- just felt a bit daunted at being able to find YouTube links. I'll have a go when I have more time, but do you happen to have any to hand?

Not sure how appropriate or not it is to post them on this thread though ....

 

[Wilf]

Fuck off, cunt. Fences weren't for "crowd control" purposes to stop pitch invasions, they originally started getting put in way back in the 1960s - before hooliganism - to make matches easier to police - i.e. allow them to be policed with fewer officers - again, not for crowd control purposes, but for the sake of convenience and cost-cutting.

Ken Bates even added an electric fence for a while. This from wiki

In the mid 1980s, he famously erected an electric perimeter fence around the pitch at Stamford Bridge to prevent pitch invasions, but the fence was soon dismantled after the local council refused him permission to turn the electricity on.

 

[ViolentPanda]

Never mind the dead, never mind the state cover-up, never mind the police and media blaming football fans (which they saw then as 'working class scum'), never mind not properly dealing with the situation and those injured, never mind the fucking authorities changing witness statements and lying.

'but violent football fans!11!!'

Fuck off.

First time I saw a fence in a football stadium was 1969, at Craven Cottage (my great-uncle was a Fulham fan, for his sins).
In other words, four or five years before "hooliganism" kicked off.
I thought the history of fencing was settled back when the Taylor report came out?

 

[Favelado]

I'll PM them to you.

 

[William of Walworth]

I'll PM them to you.

Thanks for that, appreciated.

 

[ViolentPanda]

It's people like you that are to blame for those fences in the first place.

Do one.

 

[Wilf]

 

[Coolfonz]

That was the electric fence at Chels, you can see the white things at the top. They never switched it on, anyway the stewards always opened the doors

 

[ViolentPanda]

Quite a big nut, though. I accept it was a minority of fans, but it was a large enough minority to put the majority of people off going to football matches.

Go to a lot of matches in the 70s and 80s? I was a season ticket holder for some years in both decades. That was at West Ham, which had a bad reputation. Thing is, as I'm sure TopCat will also say about Millwall, trouble at the ground was rare - usually hassle from pitch invasions from celebrating home fans - the main trouble was outside the grounds.

Try not too parade your ignorance too hard, you toe-rag.

 

[ViolentPanda]

Yes it did. I'm certainly old enough to remember when football matches were scary places you just didn't go to.

Only if you were a bedwetting middle class wanker. I knew kids who went to every home match at West Ham in the '80s, and whose parents were happy to let them go. Says a bit about how "scary" grounds were.

 

[ViolentPanda]

Loads of people went though. It was only £6 a ticket then.

And where attendance did decline, it was at grounds were the ticket prices went into double figures. I knew a few Spurs supporters who stopped going when they were charging a tenner to Chelsea and QPR's £7.50.

 

[ViolentPanda]

Nowhere near as many as in previous decades, though.

Football attendance started to decline in the 1950s, due entirely to TV coverage. The next set of major declines in attendance weren't due to hooliganism, but to Rupert shitcunting Murdoch, you fuckwit.

 

[Red Cat]

Ignore him.

 

[ViolentPanda]

Ken Bates even added an electric fence for a while. This from wiki

Bates would have fucked his mother's corpse on the turf of Stamford Bridge for a column inch of publicity.

 

[Plumdaff]

The BBC's early broadcasts made it seem clear to anyone watching that drunk, ticketless fans were the reason the disaster had happened. The damage done early on would have been impossible to undo even if they had bothered to try.

YouTube can verify the above very clearly.

It's astonishing, profoundly sad, and infuriating, watching those YouTube videos now. Hearing the lies being told as on screen fans desperately try to save lives, police stand in inactive cordons and ambulances stand outside. Also the odd interviewed fan there and then, talking about the opened gates and the central pens. It's all there, in front of them.

 

[Puddy_Tat]

I really wasn't expecting today's verdicts. Was expecting the usual whitewash.

 

[steveo87]

Been wracking my brains to say something that wasn't just anti-Tory bile - and there's quite a lot of that - or overly sanctimonious (it could happen to any family, any team, anywhere), so I'll just share this. Like it if you want. YNWA

 

[brogdale]

Burnham on Newsnight concludes the day as he started calling for prosecutions, and a change in law that allows OB to retire away from accountability.
Encouraging.

 

[brogdale]

BBC News not mentioning how key they were in spreading the lies in the hours and days after the disaster. It wasn't all The Sun you know.

Interestingly on Newsnight Peter Marshall's piece with the first broadcast instance of the 'broken gate' lie (spoken by Motty) was highlighted as an example of Police propaganda.

 

[Pickman's model]

Bates would have fucked his mother's corpse on the turf of Stamford Bridge for a column inch of publicity.

I think that's all it - and she - got.

 

[brogdale]

And still...

 

[Puddy_Tat]